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The existence of several attachment disorders, where insecure parenting styles and resulting poorly developed attachment has been irrefutably shown to be the ca

The existence of several attachment disorders, where insecure parenting styles and resulting poorly developed attachment has been irrefutably shown to be the cause of the disorder, refutes any claims that "the relationship with early caregivers might not matter at all" For an extreme result of poorly developed attachment see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_attachment_disorder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactive_attachment_disorder Several comments here are dismissive of attachment theory and the importance of proper development of attachment. I don't really know why but it might be the unfortunate existence of the pseudoscientific "attachment therapy" which has nothing to do with what the article is about: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_therapy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_therapy

staycoolboy 6y ago
I think the reaction you are seeing has to do with Attachment Theory used as a cudgel by speakers to allow narcissist and egotists to dismiss their shitty behavior. Esther Perel is a great example. She's like a modern day Ayn Rand who thinks listening to your partner is akin to cutting off your own arm. And she backs that up with wave after wave of attachment theory gibberish.
- Nasrudith 6y ago
  That sounds like an extension of Attachment Therapy as a tool for narcicists. It fits the same "narcissists looking to abuse children for not loving them like they believe they are entitled to - and the horrific death of the child from their actions is never their fault". That and associated discredited refrigerator mother trope for autism along with every pet theory whose only common thread is "not genetic". The legacy of bad ideas makes it questionable as a useful form of guidance especially when lacking more concrete successes analagous to eugenics as a pseudoscientific corruption of genetics.
kqr 6y ago
How does one go about irrefutably showing insecure parenting leads to attachment disorders that affect people outside of the home? Genuine curiosity.
- isoprophlex 6y ago
  I was too brash, of course there's no 100% guaranteed proven causality. But "experiments", or rather observations, on for example Romanian orphanages show such strong evidence that, in my experience, this has become child psychology dogma

staycoolboy 6y ago

I think the reaction you are seeing has to do with Attachment Theory used as a cudgel by speakers to allow narcissist and egotists to dismiss their shitty behavior. Esther Perel is a great example. She's like a modern day Ayn Rand who thinks listening to your partner is akin to cutting off your own arm. And she backs that up with wave after wave of attachment theory gibberish.

Nasrudith 6y ago
That sounds like an extension of Attachment Therapy as a tool for narcicists. It fits the same "narcissists looking to abuse children for not loving them like they believe they are entitled to - and the horrific death of the child from their actions is never their fault". That and associated discredited refrigerator mother trope for autism along with every pet theory whose only common thread is "not genetic". The legacy of bad ideas makes it questionable as a useful form of guidance especially when lacking more concrete successes analagous to eugenics as a pseudoscientific corruption of genetics.

kqr 6y ago

How does one go about irrefutably showing insecure parenting leads to attachment disorders that affect people outside of the home? Genuine curiosity.

isoprophlex 6y ago
I was too brash, of course there's no 100% guaranteed proven causality. But "experiments", or rather observations, on for example Romanian orphanages show such strong evidence that, in my experience, this has become child psychology dogma