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Seeing as how every YouTube video I've tried to play in a Windows Phone has worked, I fail to see what the issue is at all. Clearly details are missing.

rbanffy 16y ago
They are talking about video metadata. I really can't see what the problem is. Does Google have a private API they use for Android phones? Did Apple pay for it so that YouTube is featured on iPhones. Does Microsoft want this data for free?
- rbarooah 16y ago
  The problem is that that by acquiring large stores of content (e.g. Video, Books) and stopping other search engines from to indexing them properly, they are giving Google Search an unfair advantage. If they aren't stopped from doing this they'll repeat the process for one content type after another, and the so-called search engine competition that keeps them honest will be killed completely.
  - rbanffy 16y ago
    Microsoft can't complain YouTube is the only game in town - they discontinued their Soap Box thingie. Besides that, YouTube is not the only video hosting provider - There are Vimeo, blib.tv and a host of others. Also, Google scans that books and bears the cost of the scanning. Why would they give this data to Microsoft for free? If Microsoft wants to scan their own books or provide a video hosting platform, they are free to do so, but I don't see why Google has an obligation to provide them these services.
    - rbarooah 16y ago
      So it's ok to have Google Search be a monopoly that nobody can compete with because they own the content too? Personally, I think competition in the search space might lead to better results.
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        I have a monopoly on the content I own, much like Microsoft has a monopoly on Hotmail, Windows and Office and Google has a monopoly on the content they created or captured.
        rbarooah 16y ago
        But do you see how Google buying up significant percentages of web content and only allowing their own search engine to index it properly would make it impossible for other search engines to compete?
        rbanffy 16y ago
        I don't see this "buying up significant percentages of web content" thing happening. Is that the books thing where they scanned the books themselves? Is is YouTube, where they offered a good enough video platform? Is AdSense and AdWords, where they made monetizing a website simple and painless? And Microsoft's Brad Smith saying "It is obviously difficult for competing search engines to gain users when nearly every search box is powered by Google" is beyond hypocritical. He can't possibly be stupid enough to believe that himself. No. Microsoft is not complaining of unfair practices by Google. It's complaining because now they can't use the same practices they always relied on to squash a competitor that has grown too large for them to feel comfortable.
        rbarooah 16y ago
        You don't think YouTube contains a large percentage of web video, or you don't think Google bought YouTube?
        rbanffy 16y ago
        Oh... But they don't own the content there - whoever put it there is free to port it to, say, Soapbox. Or Vimeo, or blip.tv or justin.tv or even S3. And even delete the instances in YouTube, leaving Google with nothing. The only problem with that is that Soapbox no longer exists. Because Microsoft didn't want to spend any more money on it.
    - kenjackson 16y ago
      YouTube is the only game in town for user created videos on the web. What percentage of user created videos do you think YouTube streams? I wouldn't be surprised its in the 80%s or higher. Which in itself is just fine. But now they're using their monopoly position here to bolster another unrelated product. Once you start doing that you're doing an IE/Windows abuse.
      - rbanffy 16y ago
        Good news for you: http://vimeo.com/upload/video http://vimeo.com/upload/video http://blip.tv/dashboard/upload http://blip.tv/dashboard/upload You have choice! edit: and I love how blip.tv gets the podcast RSS thing.
        kenjackson 16y ago
        I have started suggesting that everyone use Vimeo. I will stay away from YouTube as best I can. Blip.tv? The site doesn't look so hot.
        rbanffy 16y ago
        It's very good. PyCon and Clojure have lots of videos there. I am right now listening to a PyCon 2011 presentation from it. And they got the podcast thing right.
        rbanffy 16y ago
        Too late to edit the other answer. http://clojure.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://clojure.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://pycon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://pycon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://djangocon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://djangocon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc Are my three favorites.
        kenjackson 16y ago
        How would I find those if you didn't link them? Doesn't seem obvious how to find these "channels".

rbanffy 16y ago

They are talking about video metadata. I really can't see what the problem is. Does Google have a private API they use for Android phones? Did Apple pay for it so that YouTube is featured on iPhones. Does Microsoft want this data for free?

rbarooah 16y ago
The problem is that that by acquiring large stores of content (e.g. Video, Books) and stopping other search engines from to indexing them properly, they are giving Google Search an unfair advantage. If they aren't stopped from doing this they'll repeat the process for one content type after another, and the so-called search engine competition that keeps them honest will be killed completely.
- rbanffy 16y ago
  Microsoft can't complain YouTube is the only game in town - they discontinued their Soap Box thingie. Besides that, YouTube is not the only video hosting provider - There are Vimeo, blib.tv and a host of others. Also, Google scans that books and bears the cost of the scanning. Why would they give this data to Microsoft for free? If Microsoft wants to scan their own books or provide a video hosting platform, they are free to do so, but I don't see why Google has an obligation to provide them these services.
  - rbarooah 16y ago
    So it's ok to have Google Search be a monopoly that nobody can compete with because they own the content too? Personally, I think competition in the search space might lead to better results.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      I have a monopoly on the content I own, much like Microsoft has a monopoly on Hotmail, Windows and Office and Google has a monopoly on the content they created or captured.
      - rbarooah 16y ago
        But do you see how Google buying up significant percentages of web content and only allowing their own search engine to index it properly would make it impossible for other search engines to compete?
        rbanffy 16y ago
        I don't see this "buying up significant percentages of web content" thing happening. Is that the books thing where they scanned the books themselves? Is is YouTube, where they offered a good enough video platform? Is AdSense and AdWords, where they made monetizing a website simple and painless? And Microsoft's Brad Smith saying "It is obviously difficult for competing search engines to gain users when nearly every search box is powered by Google" is beyond hypocritical. He can't possibly be stupid enough to believe that himself. No. Microsoft is not complaining of unfair practices by Google. It's complaining because now they can't use the same practices they always relied on to squash a competitor that has grown too large for them to feel comfortable.
        rbarooah 16y ago
        You don't think YouTube contains a large percentage of web video, or you don't think Google bought YouTube?
        rbanffy 16y ago
        Oh... But they don't own the content there - whoever put it there is free to port it to, say, Soapbox. Or Vimeo, or blip.tv or justin.tv or even S3. And even delete the instances in YouTube, leaving Google with nothing. The only problem with that is that Soapbox no longer exists. Because Microsoft didn't want to spend any more money on it.
  - kenjackson 16y ago
    YouTube is the only game in town for user created videos on the web. What percentage of user created videos do you think YouTube streams? I wouldn't be surprised its in the 80%s or higher. Which in itself is just fine. But now they're using their monopoly position here to bolster another unrelated product. Once you start doing that you're doing an IE/Windows abuse.
    - rbanffy 16y ago
      Good news for you: http://vimeo.com/upload/video http://vimeo.com/upload/video http://blip.tv/dashboard/upload http://blip.tv/dashboard/upload You have choice! edit: and I love how blip.tv gets the podcast RSS thing.
      - kenjackson 16y ago
        I have started suggesting that everyone use Vimeo. I will stay away from YouTube as best I can. Blip.tv? The site doesn't look so hot.
        rbanffy 16y ago
        It's very good. PyCon and Clojure have lots of videos there. I am right now listening to a PyCon 2011 presentation from it. And they got the podcast thing right.
        rbanffy 16y ago
        Too late to edit the other answer. http://clojure.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://clojure.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://pycon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://pycon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://djangocon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc http://djangocon.blip.tv/posts?view=archive&nsfw=dc Are my three favorites.
        kenjackson 16y ago
        How would I find those if you didn't link them? Doesn't seem obvious how to find these "channels".