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For sure but then the question I would have is can we take cues from enthusiasm around Rocket League and bring those into the community? The real time ranking

by Dwolb 6y ago

For sure but then the question I would have is can we take cues from enthusiasm around Rocket League and bring those into the community? The real time ranking system I think is the root of a lot of this. It allows people to know where they stand and they can look to the community on how to improve their game.

cylentwolf 6y ago
I think a real time ranking system for students at a university that is visible by all is just going to be targeted for greedy or ambitious people looking to convert it into jobs or money. If I am in the top 10 percent of the rankings in Rocket League sure I can make a few grand streaming, but if I am in the top 10 percent of rankings at a school I can get a better job than the rest. What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point?
- Dwolb 6y ago
  > What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point? I think that's a great point but one that the Rocket League community somehow solves.
  - CrazyStat 6y ago
    With very few exceptions, everyone who plays Rocket League is playing it because they find it intrinsically rewarding. When I taught intro stats I'd guess less than 2% of my students were studying stats because they found it intrinsically rewarding. Even when you get into upper level classes, even among graduate students, the percentage who are taking a class for the intrinsic reward rarely approaches 100%. Trying to make education more like Rocket League, ignoring the wildly divergent motivations of the people involved, is a fool's errand.
    - Dwolb 6y ago
      But where does intrinsic motivation come from? What are the objective differences between getting better at Rocket League and getting better at stats? Agreed if we don't understand or create a basic framework, trying to put lipstick on a pig and making stats look like Rocket League is dumb.
fsociety 6y ago
I think gamification is a misunderstanding of why communities are built around games and people encouraged to improve their skills to rank up. Instead why not organize a catch-all chat for people to talk, like a Discord. Let people talk off-topic and organize to play games and such as a class if they want.

by Dwolb 6y ago

cylentwolf 6y ago

I think a real time ranking system for students at a university that is visible by all is just going to be targeted for greedy or ambitious people looking to convert it into jobs or money. If I am in the top 10 percent of the rankings in Rocket League sure I can make a few grand streaming, but if I am in the top 10 percent of rankings at a school I can get a better job than the rest. What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point?

Dwolb 6y ago
> What are the bottom 90 percent's motivation for helping people improve at that point? I think that's a great point but one that the Rocket League community somehow solves.
- CrazyStat 6y ago
  With very few exceptions, everyone who plays Rocket League is playing it because they find it intrinsically rewarding. When I taught intro stats I'd guess less than 2% of my students were studying stats because they found it intrinsically rewarding. Even when you get into upper level classes, even among graduate students, the percentage who are taking a class for the intrinsic reward rarely approaches 100%. Trying to make education more like Rocket League, ignoring the wildly divergent motivations of the people involved, is a fool's errand.
  - Dwolb 6y ago
    But where does intrinsic motivation come from? What are the objective differences between getting better at Rocket League and getting better at stats? Agreed if we don't understand or create a basic framework, trying to put lipstick on a pig and making stats look like Rocket League is dumb.

fsociety 6y ago

I think gamification is a misunderstanding of why communities are built around games and people encouraged to improve their skills to rank up. Instead why not organize a catch-all chat for people to talk, like a Discord. Let people talk off-topic and organize to play games and such as a class if they want.