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On twitter Jacob explained it in more detail: https://twitter.com/JacobGudiol/status/1283308801043636231?s=09 https://twitter.com/JacobGudiol/status/1283308801

by XyC0 6y ago

On twitter Jacob explained it in more detail: https://twitter.com/JacobGudiol/status/1283308801043636231?s=09 https://twitter.com/JacobGudiol/status/1283308801043636231?s... The death numbers is not counted the same way in Sweden and Norway, in Sweden they count every one that had covid-19 even if they died of something else after they recovered from corvid-19, they do not count it that way in Norway.

ceejayoz 6y ago
This theory can be dismissed by looking at excess death counts. A very clear spike in overall, country-wide deaths - of all kinds - can be seen in Sweden that is not seen in Norway. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav... Screenshots of the current charting, for posterity: https://imgur.com/a/1DC95no https://imgur.com/a/1DC95no
- refurb 6y ago
  But Sweden has roughly double the population of Finland and Norway, so Sweden (1000 weekly deaths) is comparable to Finland (500 weekly deaths) and not that far off of Norway (200 weekly deaths).
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Irrelevant. It's how far the spikes go above normal per-capita that matters, which is why each chart has a different Y axis that fits that particular country. The pictured charts clearly show Sweden and the US seeing substantially more deaths than normal, while Finland and Norway stayed at roughly their normal rates.
  - zosima 6y ago
    The countries have significantly different lifespans and normal mortality, because of health care systems, age distribution, culture, genes etc. It doesn't really give anything sensible when you compare unadjusted total mortality per capita across countries.
matsemann 6y ago
That doesn't explain the huge amounts of deaths compared to normal values, though. Which Norway so far haven't had. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23916552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23916552
welterde 6y ago
On the other hand as of ~3 months ago it wasn't enough to show all the typical covid-19 symptoms to be allowed to get tested at all (in the Stockholm region at least). They have since expanded testing, so in principle anyone can get tested now (if they can manage to book a time slot at least..).

by XyC0 6y ago

ceejayoz 6y ago

This theory can be dismissed by looking at excess death counts. A very clear spike in overall, country-wide deaths - of all kinds - can be seen in Sweden that is not seen in Norway. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronavirus-missing-deaths.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/21/world/coronav... Screenshots of the current charting, for posterity: https://imgur.com/a/1DC95no https://imgur.com/a/1DC95no

refurb 6y ago
But Sweden has roughly double the population of Finland and Norway, so Sweden (1000 weekly deaths) is comparable to Finland (500 weekly deaths) and not that far off of Norway (200 weekly deaths).
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Irrelevant. It's how far the spikes go above normal per-capita that matters, which is why each chart has a different Y axis that fits that particular country. The pictured charts clearly show Sweden and the US seeing substantially more deaths than normal, while Finland and Norway stayed at roughly their normal rates.
- zosima 6y ago
  The countries have significantly different lifespans and normal mortality, because of health care systems, age distribution, culture, genes etc. It doesn't really give anything sensible when you compare unadjusted total mortality per capita across countries.

matsemann 6y ago

That doesn't explain the huge amounts of deaths compared to normal values, though. Which Norway so far haven't had. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23916552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23916552

welterde 6y ago

On the other hand as of ~3 months ago it wasn't enough to show all the typical covid-19 symptoms to be allowed to get tested at all (in the Stockholm region at least). They have since expanded testing, so in principle anyone can get tested now (if they can manage to book a time slot at least..).