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but science knows that to be false now. That's absolutely not true. Science is not certain at all about the origins of the universe. We don't understand the bi

but science knows that to be false now. That's absolutely not true. Science is not certain at all about the origins of the universe. We don't understand the big bang, we don't understand how time and space can seemingly spring from nothing, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find a physicist who would claim to know very much at all about the big bang.

jedimind 6y ago
>>but science knows that to be false now. >That's absolutely not true. It absolutely is true, I was specifically talking about the steady state theory: "While the steady-state model enjoyed some minority support in the scientific mainstream until the mid-20th century, it is now rejected by the vast majority of cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, as the observational evidence points to a hot Big Bang cosmology with a finite age of the universe, which the steady-state model does not predict" [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  It was renamed Dark Energy. (j/k) And the observational evidence is interpreted as pointing to a Big Bang. There are other interpretations which don't require a finite age or an initial singularity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce
  - jedimind 6y ago
    "It receded from serious consideration in the early 1980s after inflation theory emerged as a solution to the horizon problem, which had arisen from advances in observations revealing the large-scale structure of the universe. In the early 2000s, inflation was found by some theorists to be problematic and unfalsifiable in that its various parameters could be adjusted to fit any observations..." Ex nihilo nihil fit.
- solipsism 6y ago
  Before the steady state theory was proved wrong, some would just say that there was no first cause and that the universe had no beginning and no end, but science knows that to be false now. it's the steady state model that science knows not to be true, but not the fact that the universe has no beginning and no end, and not the fact that there was no first cause. Science doesn't know anything of the sort.
GoblinSlayer 6y ago
Time and space originate from singularity, but singularity doesn't really have time and space, maybe only trivial ones, but trivial space isn't much different from none.

jedimind 6y ago

>>but science knows that to be false now. >That's absolutely not true. It absolutely is true, I was specifically talking about the steady state theory: "While the steady-state model enjoyed some minority support in the scientific mainstream until the mid-20th century, it is now rejected by the vast majority of cosmologists, astrophysicists and astronomers, as the observational evidence points to a hot Big Bang cosmology with a finite age of the universe, which the steady-state model does not predict" [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steady-state_model

TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
It was renamed Dark Energy. (j/k) And the observational evidence is interpreted as pointing to a Big Bang. There are other interpretations which don't require a finite age or an initial singularity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bounce
- jedimind 6y ago
  "It receded from serious consideration in the early 1980s after inflation theory emerged as a solution to the horizon problem, which had arisen from advances in observations revealing the large-scale structure of the universe. In the early 2000s, inflation was found by some theorists to be problematic and unfalsifiable in that its various parameters could be adjusted to fit any observations..." Ex nihilo nihil fit.
solipsism 6y ago
Before the steady state theory was proved wrong, some would just say that there was no first cause and that the universe had no beginning and no end, but science knows that to be false now. it's the steady state model that science knows not to be true, but not the fact that the universe has no beginning and no end, and not the fact that there was no first cause. Science doesn't know anything of the sort.

GoblinSlayer 6y ago

Time and space originate from singularity, but singularity doesn't really have time and space, maybe only trivial ones, but trivial space isn't much different from none.