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Can you describe to me what you think Antifa is?

revnode 6y ago
A group of communists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
- Talanes 6y ago
  I think all time travelers should be welcomed on Twitter with welcome arms, be they from 1933 or 2933.
  - totetsu 6y ago
    I say, could someone explain this preponderance of sharp signs?
- manux 6y ago
  First of all, from this link: > was a militant anti-fascist organisation, emphasis mine. People who self-identify as anti-fascist nowadays have little to do with communism. Why not link this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism Second of all, is "communist" a slur on HN? Is that supposed to sound scary or something?
  - revnode 6y ago
    > Second of all, is "communist" a slur on HN? Is that supposed to sound scary or something? No, it's supposed to sound accurate. > People who self-identify as anti-fascist nowadays have little to do with communism. From your own link: "This article has multiple issues." Mine doesn't and accurately describes the group's origins.
  - hindsightbias 6y ago
    It’s a slur, a belief that these people are extreme card-carrying Marxists educated at Karl Marx University and completely conversant with Das Kapital in the original german. But I’ve never met someone complaining about them who could name one of them. It’s like some Boys of Brazil meets George Soros thing with them.
codeddesign 6y ago
From Oxford Dictionary: “a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology.” A far left wing group that utilizes militant and terrorist techniques as forms of protest (as stated above)
- codeddesign 6y ago
  HAHAHA...some how I was down voted for pasting google’s search result. Way too funny..
- msbarnett 6y ago
  So when you say “I’d like to see Antifa added to this growing list as well” are you suggesting that you would like to see Twitter ban anyone opposed to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology?
  - codeddesign 6y ago
    Honestly, I don’t think twitter should ban anyone. As long as it’s legal, keep it up. Otherwise you essentially have censorship through corporate monopolies. However, if you are going to have terms then stick to them. To answer you question, yes. Those a part of Antifa, and those promoting Antifa. (decision based upon their statement in the article and them stating what is a “ban-able” offense). Hope that answered your question! :)
    - msbarnett 6y ago
      I suppose it did, although “only pro-fascist and extreme right-wing views should be allowed” was a bit more mask-off than I expected to see on HN. Hell of a site you’re running here, dang.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    It's actions that matter. Both extremes behave the same, regardless of what they call themselves or claim to do.
manigandham 6y ago
A loose organization with regional groups, ranging from random protesters by proximity to political activists to violent criminals and terrorists, with various claims from generally left/socialist ideologies to outright radical extremism.
- dwd 6y ago
  I would say "completely disorganised" rather than "loose organisation" and I can't see that changing. The left is a vast collection of competing factional ideas that in many cases the only common purpose is a demand for change. Environmentalists can't agree with each other, let alone animal welfare activists who can't agree with native/traditional rights; and theres a range of single issue movements that end up diluting support for bigger picture issues simply by association. I'm not saying that they are wrong or their demands invalid but it draws attention away from the messages everyone could get behind if there was better focus. It happened with the "Occupy Wall Street" and "BLM" will likely go the same way if it doesn't simply stick to one core message.
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    I'm on the left, and can concur. Many of us were pissed about Bernie losing, and thinking yeah now's the time for the Green party to win... Then there's like at least 3 groups trying to start 3 new political parties, those of us pushing for the greens, more pushing for one of the socialist parties, and some even pushing for the libertarian party (I'm a leftist/socialist libertarian, but the libertarian party is NOTHING like a left/libertarian), and some voting for Trump out of spite, or insanity, and the rest probably cow-towing to vote for Biden. Just ideas alone it's pretty disjointed. No organization. I mean the right/tea party at least was pretty coherent and had a pretty good structure to accomplish their goals. Leftists though have their own purity tests, and their own minds made up and can be rather stubborn about how to accomplish goals, what those goals should be, etc... I think we all have ADHD or something. However, there's no 'terrorism' on the left, or very rare. antifa is not a terrorist org. Show me the deaths, the bombs, etc. I can show you plenty of those on the right though, an antifa terrorist is probably some kid egging or graffit-ing a building. That's about as serious as they get, because most on the left are also pacifists.

A group of communists? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion

Talanes 6y ago
I think all time travelers should be welcomed on Twitter with welcome arms, be they from 1933 or 2933.
- totetsu 6y ago
  I say, could someone explain this preponderance of sharp signs?
manux 6y ago
First of all, from this link: > was a militant anti-fascist organisation, emphasis mine. People who self-identify as anti-fascist nowadays have little to do with communism. Why not link this page? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism Second of all, is "communist" a slur on HN? Is that supposed to sound scary or something?
- revnode 6y ago
  > Second of all, is "communist" a slur on HN? Is that supposed to sound scary or something? No, it's supposed to sound accurate. > People who self-identify as anti-fascist nowadays have little to do with communism. From your own link: "This article has multiple issues." Mine doesn't and accurately describes the group's origins.
- hindsightbias 6y ago
  It’s a slur, a belief that these people are extreme card-carrying Marxists educated at Karl Marx University and completely conversant with Das Kapital in the original german. But I’ve never met someone complaining about them who could name one of them. It’s like some Boys of Brazil meets George Soros thing with them.

codeddesign 6y ago

From Oxford Dictionary: “a political protest movement comprising autonomous groups affiliated by their militant opposition to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology.” A far left wing group that utilizes militant and terrorist techniques as forms of protest (as stated above)

codeddesign 6y ago
HAHAHA...some how I was down voted for pasting google’s search result. Way too funny..
msbarnett 6y ago
So when you say “I’d like to see Antifa added to this growing list as well” are you suggesting that you would like to see Twitter ban anyone opposed to fascism and other forms of extreme right-wing ideology?
- codeddesign 6y ago
  Honestly, I don’t think twitter should ban anyone. As long as it’s legal, keep it up. Otherwise you essentially have censorship through corporate monopolies. However, if you are going to have terms then stick to them. To answer you question, yes. Those a part of Antifa, and those promoting Antifa. (decision based upon their statement in the article and them stating what is a “ban-able” offense). Hope that answered your question! :)
  - msbarnett 6y ago
    I suppose it did, although “only pro-fascist and extreme right-wing views should be allowed” was a bit more mask-off than I expected to see on HN. Hell of a site you’re running here, dang.
- manigandham 6y ago
  It's actions that matter. Both extremes behave the same, regardless of what they call themselves or claim to do.

manigandham 6y ago

A loose organization with regional groups, ranging from random protesters by proximity to political activists to violent criminals and terrorists, with various claims from generally left/socialist ideologies to outright radical extremism.

dwd 6y ago
I would say "completely disorganised" rather than "loose organisation" and I can't see that changing. The left is a vast collection of competing factional ideas that in many cases the only common purpose is a demand for change. Environmentalists can't agree with each other, let alone animal welfare activists who can't agree with native/traditional rights; and theres a range of single issue movements that end up diluting support for bigger picture issues simply by association. I'm not saying that they are wrong or their demands invalid but it draws attention away from the messages everyone could get behind if there was better focus. It happened with the "Occupy Wall Street" and "BLM" will likely go the same way if it doesn't simply stick to one core message.
- gremlinsinc 6y ago
  I'm on the left, and can concur. Many of us were pissed about Bernie losing, and thinking yeah now's the time for the Green party to win... Then there's like at least 3 groups trying to start 3 new political parties, those of us pushing for the greens, more pushing for one of the socialist parties, and some even pushing for the libertarian party (I'm a leftist/socialist libertarian, but the libertarian party is NOTHING like a left/libertarian), and some voting for Trump out of spite, or insanity, and the rest probably cow-towing to vote for Biden. Just ideas alone it's pretty disjointed. No organization. I mean the right/tea party at least was pretty coherent and had a pretty good structure to accomplish their goals. Leftists though have their own purity tests, and their own minds made up and can be rather stubborn about how to accomplish goals, what those goals should be, etc... I think we all have ADHD or something. However, there's no 'terrorism' on the left, or very rare. antifa is not a terrorist org. Show me the deaths, the bombs, etc. I can show you plenty of those on the right though, an antifa terrorist is probably some kid egging or graffit-ing a building. That's about as serious as they get, because most on the left are also pacifists.