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Article says that the Wayfair ordeal was a Qanon conspiracy. How was that attributed to them?

bynormous 6y ago
By following the digital trail - https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-qanon-2020-7 https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy...
- skindoe 6y ago
  That's not the evidence you think it is. In sports analogies That would be the equivalent of brian windhorst tweeting out something and then you saying that it came "Directly from LeBron James". People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say.
  - catalogia 6y ago
    Is "QAnon" even a person? I am under the impression that is a moniker that has likely been used by numerous unrelated people. I know believers of this stuff think "QAnon" is a person, but I've not seen any evidence that leads me to believe this is the case and quite a bit of conjecture / circumstantial evidence that suggests at one point the name was being used by a cabal of imageboard moderators.
    - AndrewBissell 6y ago
      There was an account on 8chan which would sign posts with "Q" and a unique hash which could be used to prove the identity of a particular person or group posting. Last I looked this account/hash hadn't been heard from in some time though.
      - skindoe 6y ago
        All the posts are viewable at Qmap.pub he posted less than 2 days ago. Encourage you to check it out.
        catalogia 6y ago
        You say "he" but for all you really know any number of people could have knowledge of that tripcode.
  - thephyber 6y ago
    That's a feature of QAnon, not a bug. If none of us knows the identity of "Q" then anyone can pretend to be their prophet and there is no way to confirm nor disconfirm. This is why I describe QAnon as a LARP -- it's easy for the average person to participate without knowing any rules (because there are none).
    - skindoe 6y ago
      Don't you think if your going to attempt to argue against someone you should argue against what they actually said? If so then why the double standard with Q there are dumb fans who post stupidity for literally everything. You would think people would actually quote the source (always ignored) instead of using a clear falacy of using ones followers to define them.
      - thephyber 6y ago
        > People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say. This is what I'm arguing against. When it comes to QAnon, you can't know the difference between QAnon, QAnon fans, and any rando who pretends to be either. It's a feature of the LARP.
    - gremlinsinc 6y ago
      Sounds like they ripped off a lot from Anonymous, except went right-wing w/ it, whereas Anonymous is definitely more likely to be part of antifa. Anyone can say they are part of anonymous and create their own anonymous branded videos....etc..
      - thephyber 6y ago
        To be fair, I think they both likely started on 4Chan, which has those same features. In a way, it's a natural evolution of the "meme", which was originally a word coined by Dawkins to describe the gene of biological evolution equivalent in cultural evolution. Nobody owns a meme. Rarely can we prove who was actually the first to use a meme (KnowYourMeme attempts this, but occasionally can't definitively identify the creator). Memes keep their virility based on the collective LARP that all humans participate in (sometimes the meme goes away and other times it stays active).
  - djur 6y ago
    "QAnon" is generally used to refer to the conspiracy believer movement, not the supposed instigating figure behind it, who is just "Q".
  - bynormous 6y ago
    No that's not an equivalent. QAnon is not a person in the same way LeBron James is a person. Is there a name for this logically fallacy where someone compares two wildly different scenarios thinking it's somehow related?
- themark 6y ago
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  - bynormous 6y ago
    Huh? The article I posted has a tweet from June 14. The reddit post in your newsweek is from July. Am I not understanding something?
thephyber 6y ago
QAnon is a dynamic LARP. There is no conspiracy that they can't absorb. The anonymity of the authors is a feature, but it also means there is no person who can authoritatively deny that the WayFair conspiracy theory was not related to the core "deep state" one. Honestly, my analysis of the Wayfair storage bin incident was that it was probably a LARPer (QAnon, 4Channer, Russian/Chinese troll, whatever) who had access to the WayFair vendor admin panel and realized that QAnon followers would eat it up.
0xy 6y ago
That's totally incorrect. That conspiracy began on 4chan's Politically Incorrect board.
- catalogia 6y ago
  AFAIK that's the origin of the "QAnon" shit too, so I'm not sure that really contradicts much.
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    I thought the Wayfair theory originated on Reddit, r/conspiracy ?
    - catalogia 6y ago
      Could be, to be honest I don't even know what it's about. But if "QAnon" came from 4chan than the "[whatever] didn't come from 'QAnon' because it actually came from 4chan" doesn't make much sense to me.
  - 0xy 6y ago
    It's now banned and ridiculed on the same board. Nearly every poster recognizes it as either an intelligence Psy Op or a LARP. So yes it does contradict that statement.

By following the digital trail - https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy-theory-tied-to-qanon-2020-7 https://www.insider.com/wayfair-human-trafficking-conspiracy...

skindoe 6y ago
That's not the evidence you think it is. In sports analogies That would be the equivalent of brian windhorst tweeting out something and then you saying that it came "Directly from LeBron James". People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say.
- catalogia 6y ago
  Is "QAnon" even a person? I am under the impression that is a moniker that has likely been used by numerous unrelated people. I know believers of this stuff think "QAnon" is a person, but I've not seen any evidence that leads me to believe this is the case and quite a bit of conjecture / circumstantial evidence that suggests at one point the name was being used by a cabal of imageboard moderators.
  - AndrewBissell 6y ago
    There was an account on 8chan which would sign posts with "Q" and a unique hash which could be used to prove the identity of a particular person or group posting. Last I looked this account/hash hadn't been heard from in some time though.
    - skindoe 6y ago
      All the posts are viewable at Qmap.pub he posted less than 2 days ago. Encourage you to check it out.
      - catalogia 6y ago
        You say "he" but for all you really know any number of people could have knowledge of that tripcode.
- thephyber 6y ago
  That's a feature of QAnon, not a bug. If none of us knows the identity of "Q" then anyone can pretend to be their prophet and there is no way to confirm nor disconfirm. This is why I describe QAnon as a LARP -- it's easy for the average person to participate without knowing any rules (because there are none).
  - skindoe 6y ago
    Don't you think if your going to attempt to argue against someone you should argue against what they actually said? If so then why the double standard with Q there are dumb fans who post stupidity for literally everything. You would think people would actually quote the source (always ignored) instead of using a clear falacy of using ones followers to define them.
    - thephyber 6y ago
      > People are not responsible for what their ignorant fans say. This is what I'm arguing against. When it comes to QAnon, you can't know the difference between QAnon, QAnon fans, and any rando who pretends to be either. It's a feature of the LARP.
  - gremlinsinc 6y ago
    Sounds like they ripped off a lot from Anonymous, except went right-wing w/ it, whereas Anonymous is definitely more likely to be part of antifa. Anyone can say they are part of anonymous and create their own anonymous branded videos....etc..
    - thephyber 6y ago
      To be fair, I think they both likely started on 4Chan, which has those same features. In a way, it's a natural evolution of the "meme", which was originally a word coined by Dawkins to describe the gene of biological evolution equivalent in cultural evolution. Nobody owns a meme. Rarely can we prove who was actually the first to use a meme (KnowYourMeme attempts this, but occasionally can't definitively identify the creator). Memes keep their virility based on the collective LARP that all humans participate in (sometimes the meme goes away and other times it stays active).
- djur 6y ago
  "QAnon" is generally used to refer to the conspiracy believer movement, not the supposed instigating figure behind it, who is just "Q".
- bynormous 6y ago
  No that's not an equivalent. QAnon is not a person in the same way LeBron James is a person. Is there a name for this logically fallacy where someone compares two wildly different scenarios thinking it's somehow related?
themark 6y ago
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- bynormous 6y ago
  Huh? The article I posted has a tweet from June 14. The reddit post in your newsweek is from July. Am I not understanding something?

thephyber 6y ago

QAnon is a dynamic LARP. There is no conspiracy that they can't absorb. The anonymity of the authors is a feature, but it also means there is no person who can authoritatively deny that the WayFair conspiracy theory was not related to the core "deep state" one. Honestly, my analysis of the Wayfair storage bin incident was that it was probably a LARPer (QAnon, 4Channer, Russian/Chinese troll, whatever) who had access to the WayFair vendor admin panel and realized that QAnon followers would eat it up.

0xy 6y ago

That's totally incorrect. That conspiracy began on 4chan's Politically Incorrect board.

catalogia 6y ago
AFAIK that's the origin of the "QAnon" shit too, so I'm not sure that really contradicts much.
- Apocryphon 6y ago
  I thought the Wayfair theory originated on Reddit, r/conspiracy ?
  - catalogia 6y ago
    Could be, to be honest I don't even know what it's about. But if "QAnon" came from 4chan than the "[whatever] didn't come from 'QAnon' because it actually came from 4chan" doesn't make much sense to me.
- 0xy 6y ago
  It's now banned and ridiculed on the same board. Nearly every poster recognizes it as either an intelligence Psy Op or a LARP. So yes it does contradict that statement.