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The chart doesn't show the relative volumes of mail. For every priority mail package at $14.95 that same $14.95 buys HUNDREDS of pieces of junk mail. The terri

The chart doesn't show the relative volumes of mail. For every priority mail package at $14.95 that same $14.95 buys HUNDREDS of pieces of junk mail. The terrible thing - you CANNOT opt out of the junk mail, at least in the past (hopefully this has changed). I have no interest in the USPS as a result. What type of business that is supposed to be providing a service FORCES its future and current customers to kill trees for junk mail that will go into the trash. If the govt didn't allow for spam filters on email, email would be dying too.

alextheparrot 6y ago
What are you talking about? There is a volume column right in the chart. It shows that for every piece of first class mail there is roughly 1.5 pieces of marketing mail
- elsewhen 6y ago
  in the interest of clarity: some marketers also use first class mail so there is some marketing mixed in with the first-class mail numbers. https://www.mw-direct.com/blog/posts/first-class-mail-vs-standard-mail-learn-the-difference/ https://www.mw-direct.com/blog/posts/first-class-mail-vs-sta...
  - alextheparrot 6y ago
    Even marketing mail sent through first class that's presorted will only get you about 30 letters for $15 at $0.46 per letter [0], so still not sure what the original author is talking about regarding 'hundreds'. [0] https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm
- donor20 6y ago
  Fair point - I was responding to the comment that USPS was / wasn't a spam delivery service. The perception is that (even through revenue is relatively low) the USPS does spam. And with EDDM you cannot get out of this spam blast.
apocalyptic0n3 6y ago
> The chart doesn't show the relative volumes of mail. For every priority mail package at $14.95 that same $14.95 buys HUNDREDS of pieces of junk mail. Volume has nothing to do with revenue, which is precisely what the original poster pointed to and was being refuted: > The USPS's primary revenue source is as a Spam delivery service.
- donor20 6y ago
  Fair point - but the perception is that marketing is a majority of the mail even if it's not a majority of the revenue. And since you can't get out of EDDM mailings you are stuck with these. It wouldn't be that hard to red dot or something your box so the carrier knew you didn't want the junk mail.
egypturnash 6y ago
You can opt out of junk mail. It is an annoying process that involves finding multiple places to opt out, and takes a few months to take effect because all this shit has a lengthy production pipeline. But it is doable. I get a lot less junk mail than I used to, and if I was willing to put a little more effort in I’d get even less - I had it pretty close to zero in my old place.
- donor20 6y ago
  This is if you got through the list brokers or other senders. EDDM doesn't allow for any type of block period. That said, it still costs sender money. But if are in a 50 unit building and you see those big stacks of advertising being plonked into the mailroom, that's what those are.

alextheparrot 6y ago

What are you talking about? There is a volume column right in the chart. It shows that for every piece of first class mail there is roughly 1.5 pieces of marketing mail

elsewhen 6y ago
in the interest of clarity: some marketers also use first class mail so there is some marketing mixed in with the first-class mail numbers. https://www.mw-direct.com/blog/posts/first-class-mail-vs-standard-mail-learn-the-difference/ https://www.mw-direct.com/blog/posts/first-class-mail-vs-sta...
- alextheparrot 6y ago
  Even marketing mail sent through first class that's presorted will only get you about 30 letters for $15 at $0.46 per letter [0], so still not sure what the original author is talking about regarding 'hundreds'. [0] https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm https://pe.usps.com/text/dmm300/Notice123.htm
donor20 6y ago
Fair point - I was responding to the comment that USPS was / wasn't a spam delivery service. The perception is that (even through revenue is relatively low) the USPS does spam. And with EDDM you cannot get out of this spam blast.

apocalyptic0n3 6y ago

> The chart doesn't show the relative volumes of mail. For every priority mail package at $14.95 that same $14.95 buys HUNDREDS of pieces of junk mail. Volume has nothing to do with revenue, which is precisely what the original poster pointed to and was being refuted: > The USPS's primary revenue source is as a Spam delivery service.

donor20 6y ago
Fair point - but the perception is that marketing is a majority of the mail even if it's not a majority of the revenue. And since you can't get out of EDDM mailings you are stuck with these. It wouldn't be that hard to red dot or something your box so the carrier knew you didn't want the junk mail.

egypturnash 6y ago

You can opt out of junk mail. It is an annoying process that involves finding multiple places to opt out, and takes a few months to take effect because all this shit has a lengthy production pipeline. But it is doable. I get a lot less junk mail than I used to, and if I was willing to put a little more effort in I’d get even less - I had it pretty close to zero in my old place.

donor20 6y ago
This is if you got through the list brokers or other senders. EDDM doesn't allow for any type of block period. That said, it still costs sender money. But if are in a 50 unit building and you see those big stacks of advertising being plonked into the mailroom, that's what those are.