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> It's just mind blowing why we should care about companies more than people. Theres a middle ground here, ya know? At the end of the day we need companies tha

> It's just mind blowing why we should care about companies more than people. Theres a middle ground here, ya know? At the end of the day we need companies that turn a net-profit by offering goods and services that ultimately lead to the tax revenue to fund those libraries, post offices and schools. > So what if it's harmful to competition? Again, it's a ideological positon. In the mind of people like the Koch brothers, it might be post offices and libraries today, but it might be [insert industry here] tomorrow. And that industry might be your industry. I don't share that view, but i see where they are coming from.

glenda 6y ago
We are seeing that companies with profits don’t necessarily mean that they’re paying their fair share of taxes. Organizations that are able to provide important services, even at a loss, deserve further investment.
quickthrowman 6y ago
UPS, FedEx, DHL, all exist and make money.
- missedthecue 6y ago
  UPS ships more parcels than the USPS despite having to pay income tax, property tax, higher wages, and not having access to low interest loans. The UPS is more efficient and also loses less mail. For some reason, we're better off with the USPS. At the very least, they should have their entitlement to monopoly removed.
  - mauvehaus 6y ago
    Honest question: when has the postal service ever lost a package of yours? I have used the postal service in some fairly uncommon ways, and I have never had a package go missing or not meet their SLA for Priority Mail. You can send a package to pretty much any town in the country for <$20 and expect it to be there in 3 or 4 days. It’s the next best thing to teleportation, unless you wanted to get it on a Sunday.
    - missedthecue 6y ago
      The postal service lost my passport that I sent first class tracked to an embassy in order to get a visa shortly before I was due to leave overseas for an extended period of time. It was marked as delivered, but never was according to the embassy. After hours of phone calls and hold time, the USPS admitted that it had been redirected to a lost mail facility in a city 800 miles away from its destination on accident. It is still sitting in that lost mail facility according to the USPS all these years later. I had to call my congressman's office to push the state department to get me a new passport expedited so that I could get my visa in time before I had to leave. Huge headache. They've lost plenty of other things besides. I once sent $100 cash in a fun colored envelope containing a birthday card. The card arrived scotch-taped closed with the money gone. I know it wasn't an accident where it got ripped open by a conveyor belt or something because they re-seal torn envelopes in a plastic bag when that happens. That was more an annoying than headache inducing, but UPS has never caused problems for me like those and I use them by an order of magnitude more than USPS. The worst part isn't that those things happen. Theft and accidents can happen anywhere. The worst part is that the USPS takes no responsibility and could not care any less. So what if a postal employee stole money from a birthday card? Sucks to be me. I can't send letters any other way. The USPS has a legally protected monopoly on letter delivery. So what if the hold time is 9 hours? Who else am I going to go to? The post office is built on bureaucracy and you and I pay the price for it.
- mauvehaus 6y ago
  They also foist last-mile delivery off on the USPS when they can’t be arsed to do it their damn selves, probably because it’s cheaper to leave small packages at the post office than drive a truck of their own a couple miles out of their way to drop one package. Source: FedEx does this to us all the damned time. UPS generally delivers to our door in a brown truck. I don’t know about DHL. Let’s not pretend that other couriers offer the same service as the USPS (specifically universal service) in a competitive market while also turning a profit.
rblatz 6y ago
Taxes don't fund the USPS, postage does.

glenda 6y ago

We are seeing that companies with profits don’t necessarily mean that they’re paying their fair share of taxes. Organizations that are able to provide important services, even at a loss, deserve further investment.

quickthrowman 6y ago

UPS, FedEx, DHL, all exist and make money.

missedthecue 6y ago
UPS ships more parcels than the USPS despite having to pay income tax, property tax, higher wages, and not having access to low interest loans. The UPS is more efficient and also loses less mail. For some reason, we're better off with the USPS. At the very least, they should have their entitlement to monopoly removed.
- mauvehaus 6y ago
  Honest question: when has the postal service ever lost a package of yours? I have used the postal service in some fairly uncommon ways, and I have never had a package go missing or not meet their SLA for Priority Mail. You can send a package to pretty much any town in the country for <$20 and expect it to be there in 3 or 4 days. It’s the next best thing to teleportation, unless you wanted to get it on a Sunday.
  - missedthecue 6y ago
    The postal service lost my passport that I sent first class tracked to an embassy in order to get a visa shortly before I was due to leave overseas for an extended period of time. It was marked as delivered, but never was according to the embassy. After hours of phone calls and hold time, the USPS admitted that it had been redirected to a lost mail facility in a city 800 miles away from its destination on accident. It is still sitting in that lost mail facility according to the USPS all these years later. I had to call my congressman's office to push the state department to get me a new passport expedited so that I could get my visa in time before I had to leave. Huge headache. They've lost plenty of other things besides. I once sent $100 cash in a fun colored envelope containing a birthday card. The card arrived scotch-taped closed with the money gone. I know it wasn't an accident where it got ripped open by a conveyor belt or something because they re-seal torn envelopes in a plastic bag when that happens. That was more an annoying than headache inducing, but UPS has never caused problems for me like those and I use them by an order of magnitude more than USPS. The worst part isn't that those things happen. Theft and accidents can happen anywhere. The worst part is that the USPS takes no responsibility and could not care any less. So what if a postal employee stole money from a birthday card? Sucks to be me. I can't send letters any other way. The USPS has a legally protected monopoly on letter delivery. So what if the hold time is 9 hours? Who else am I going to go to? The post office is built on bureaucracy and you and I pay the price for it.
mauvehaus 6y ago
They also foist last-mile delivery off on the USPS when they can’t be arsed to do it their damn selves, probably because it’s cheaper to leave small packages at the post office than drive a truck of their own a couple miles out of their way to drop one package. Source: FedEx does this to us all the damned time. UPS generally delivers to our door in a brown truck. I don’t know about DHL. Let’s not pretend that other couriers offer the same service as the USPS (specifically universal service) in a competitive market while also turning a profit.

rblatz 6y ago

Taxes don't fund the USPS, postage does.