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But the two are independent ideas. You don't need lending or money creation for a bank to work, though even there the analogy is sound. The bank does lend money

But the two are independent ideas. You don't need lending or money creation for a bank to work, though even there the analogy is sound. The bank does lend money out and if a lot of people try to withdraw it at the same time, you get bank runs and collapses. That being said, in principle, it is possible to have a bank that literally takes the cash you give it and puts it in a giant vault, and when you come to ask for withdraw it, retrieves it and hands it back over. It is literally the idea that the author seems to be railing against. You come with your money (water) and deposit (pour) it into the bank's vault (glass). What exactly is the confusion?

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TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
The confusion is that this isn't how banks work. But most people believe that this is how banks work. More than that, most people have no idea how lending really works. They believe the bank is literally lending their savings out. So if no one saves, there's no lending. Even some economists believe a more complex version of this. https://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-loanable-funds-fallacy/ https://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-loanable-fund...
- cm2187 6y ago
  Well at a micro level, it is still what happens, the bank doesn't make money appear by magic. The multiplier effect just happens because the original amount of cash has been deposited, then lent, then deposited again. So you have the same amount of cash in the system but two deposits, one backed by a loan, the other by cash, and the deposits are treated as "like cash" whereas they are mere IOUs backed by a financial asset.
  - jljljl 6y ago
    A reserve (or government cash deposit) is not technically required for a bank to issue a loan. Its _risky_, since it could lead to a situation where someone tries to cash out and you have nothing to give them, which would destroy your business and reputation as a banker. But if you could make perfect loan decisions and no one comes to redeem their deposit, you wouldn’t need to have any reserves at all. Most regulators require a minimum amount of reserves to prevent instability or bank runs (and to control money supply) That’s the difference, you’re not lending out the original amount of cash, you’re using it as a reserve in case someone asks for their money.
jljljl 6y ago
The confusion is that modern commercial banks don’t work like a giant vault. So applying the analogy you described to, say, Wells Fargo, would mislead you about how Wells Fargo works. You could have a bank that does what you say, but it wouldn’t be able to survive as a commercial institution.
- jpkoning 6y ago
  Well said. Most regular folks don't think like to think about banking, just like how they don't like to think about how their car engine works. But if you ask them to describe how banking works, they'll inevitably resort to the some version of the "giant vault" analogy. Of course, that's the wrong way to think about banking. Which the article rightly attempts to dispel.
WalterBright 6y ago
> in principle, it is possible to have a bank that literally takes the cash you give it and puts it in a giant vault, and when you come to ask for withdraw it, retrieves it and hands it back over. That is indeed how banks originally worked (except gold, not cash). Then banks discovered they could hand out receipts instead of the gold, and people traded the receipts (how "banknotes" came about). Then banks realized they could issue more receipts than they had gold on deposit, and fractional reserve banking was invented.

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TheOtherHobbes 6y ago

The confusion is that this isn't how banks work. But most people believe that this is how banks work. More than that, most people have no idea how lending really works. They believe the bank is literally lending their savings out. So if no one saves, there's no lending. Even some economists believe a more complex version of this. https://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-loanable-funds-fallacy/ https://larspsyll.wordpress.com/2014/09/21/the-loanable-fund...

cm2187 6y ago
Well at a micro level, it is still what happens, the bank doesn't make money appear by magic. The multiplier effect just happens because the original amount of cash has been deposited, then lent, then deposited again. So you have the same amount of cash in the system but two deposits, one backed by a loan, the other by cash, and the deposits are treated as "like cash" whereas they are mere IOUs backed by a financial asset.
- jljljl 6y ago
  A reserve (or government cash deposit) is not technically required for a bank to issue a loan. Its _risky_, since it could lead to a situation where someone tries to cash out and you have nothing to give them, which would destroy your business and reputation as a banker. But if you could make perfect loan decisions and no one comes to redeem their deposit, you wouldn’t need to have any reserves at all. Most regulators require a minimum amount of reserves to prevent instability or bank runs (and to control money supply) That’s the difference, you’re not lending out the original amount of cash, you’re using it as a reserve in case someone asks for their money.

jljljl 6y ago

The confusion is that modern commercial banks don’t work like a giant vault. So applying the analogy you described to, say, Wells Fargo, would mislead you about how Wells Fargo works. You could have a bank that does what you say, but it wouldn’t be able to survive as a commercial institution.

jpkoning 6y ago
Well said. Most regular folks don't think like to think about banking, just like how they don't like to think about how their car engine works. But if you ask them to describe how banking works, they'll inevitably resort to the some version of the "giant vault" analogy. Of course, that's the wrong way to think about banking. Which the article rightly attempts to dispel.

WalterBright 6y ago

> in principle, it is possible to have a bank that literally takes the cash you give it and puts it in a giant vault, and when you come to ask for withdraw it, retrieves it and hands it back over. That is indeed how banks originally worked (except gold, not cash). Then banks discovered they could hand out receipts instead of the gold, and people traded the receipts (how "banknotes" came about). Then banks realized they could issue more receipts than they had gold on deposit, and fractional reserve banking was invented.