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I upgraded the RAM, did two hard drive swaps, and replaced the battery in my 2009 MBP. That laptop case also had less flex to it than the 2018 MBP I'm using tod

I upgraded the RAM, did two hard drive swaps, and replaced the battery in my 2009 MBP. That laptop case also had less flex to it than the 2018 MBP I'm using today. I would much rather have a thicker but upgradeable/maintainable/solid laptop than the current models. Thermal management on the 2018 models is also not great. Ambient temps on my house didn't really impact the 2009 model, but they definitely do for the 2018 version. I think most of this comes from processor improvements over those nine years, so there's a tradeoff, but don't know for sure. Only ARM will tell. Totally agree that the efficiency and power management on the iPhone line is amazing. They've done a lot of work there. So far, the batteries in my iPhones have lasted about as long as the rest of the device, typically four years. The possibility of a convergent device, like an iPhone I could use with an external display and keyboard (see https://youtu.be/yBeza4UNOm8 https://youtu.be/yBeza4UNOm8), is intriguing. I would like that. And I would be more likely to accept the compromises for that form factor, because I can get down to one computing device. But just having a sleeker design is not enough for the tradeoffs I see with the vintage vs. modern MBP line.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
Everyone says this because they never have to put their money where there mouth is and daily drive a behemoth like the old MBPs. My mom uses my 2010 MBP. The thing is enormous, ridiculously heavy. Huge, hard to fit in a backpack. Battery life is mediocre. It gets pretty hot too despite its size. I would never go back to then, nor would most consumers. I want my laptop to last a long time and be portable. People moan about upgrades but I doubt that is even half a percent of Apple's consumer base now.
- _qulr 6y ago
  I would go back to my 2006 17-inch MacBook Pro form factor in a second. Best laptop I've ever owned. Well designed. There used to be a distinction between Pro and non-Pro. If you valued light and small over power, then you'd buy the non-Pro Mac. But Apple won't let us make the tradeoff anymore. Do Pro users even want the Touch Bar? Mostly not.
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    Sure you would, that's what everyone says who doesn't have to do it or can't.
    - _qulr 6y ago
      I still have the machine. The only reason I had to stop using it is that it can't run anything later than Lion.
      - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
        This is my point. It's easy to say you'd do something you'd never be forced into doing. It's just rose-colored glasses "back in my day...blah blah blah"
        _qulr 6y ago
        > This is my point. You have no point. My point is that I can literally put my 2014 and 2006 MacBook Pros next to each other and compare them, in the present, right in front of my eyes, not wearing any glasses, much less "rose-colored".
ryandrake 6y ago
On every Apple device I've owned, the thing that became end-of-life first has always been the software. The battery and hardware health have always kept on going, long after the device stopped getting OS updates. To the point where you had to either jailbreak or throw away perfectly good hardware because the software was hopelessly out of date and inevitably contained unpatched vulnerabilities. I have a 20 year old PC sitting next to me with a Pentium 4 in it that still happily runs the latest Debian, but I can't get this coming year's OS updates for a seven year old phone or a six year old MacMini.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

Everyone says this because they never have to put their money where there mouth is and daily drive a behemoth like the old MBPs. My mom uses my 2010 MBP. The thing is enormous, ridiculously heavy. Huge, hard to fit in a backpack. Battery life is mediocre. It gets pretty hot too despite its size. I would never go back to then, nor would most consumers. I want my laptop to last a long time and be portable. People moan about upgrades but I doubt that is even half a percent of Apple's consumer base now.

_qulr 6y ago
I would go back to my 2006 17-inch MacBook Pro form factor in a second. Best laptop I've ever owned. Well designed. There used to be a distinction between Pro and non-Pro. If you valued light and small over power, then you'd buy the non-Pro Mac. But Apple won't let us make the tradeoff anymore. Do Pro users even want the Touch Bar? Mostly not.
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  Sure you would, that's what everyone says who doesn't have to do it or can't.
  - _qulr 6y ago
    I still have the machine. The only reason I had to stop using it is that it can't run anything later than Lion.
    - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
      This is my point. It's easy to say you'd do something you'd never be forced into doing. It's just rose-colored glasses "back in my day...blah blah blah"
      - _qulr 6y ago
        > This is my point. You have no point. My point is that I can literally put my 2014 and 2006 MacBook Pros next to each other and compare them, in the present, right in front of my eyes, not wearing any glasses, much less "rose-colored".

ryandrake 6y ago

On every Apple device I've owned, the thing that became end-of-life first has always been the software. The battery and hardware health have always kept on going, long after the device stopped getting OS updates. To the point where you had to either jailbreak or throw away perfectly good hardware because the software was hopelessly out of date and inevitably contained unpatched vulnerabilities. I have a 20 year old PC sitting next to me with a Pentium 4 in it that still happily runs the latest Debian, but I can't get this coming year's OS updates for a seven year old phone or a six year old MacMini.