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Wait, you're saying it costs 12x as much as your salary? That doesn't seem right... the company I'm at uses it pretty heavily and we're at about 1x of a FTE sal

Wait, you're saying it costs 12x as much as your salary? That doesn't seem right... the company I'm at uses it pretty heavily and we're at about 1x of a FTE salary (and it's still super worth it)

klohto 6y ago
World’s salaries aren’t only US based :) Datadog for a smaller Western Europe startup is going to cost more than their devs salaries.
- user5994461 6y ago
  Western salaries are not that low and true costs to the employer is typically double the perceived salary. That means we're talking tens of thousands of euros, so thousands of hosts (list price is certainly negotiable at this scale). If they've got a thousand of hosts, the costs of the infrastructure itself must dwarf the salary of any developer by orders of magnitude, the salary of a developer is simply irrelevant when it comes to acquiring software/hardware.
  - dijit 6y ago
    > true costs to the employer is typically double the perceived salary. This is true, but my comment was an offhanded way to say that my "salary" (as in, the one on my contracts and the one I "see") is less than a month of Datadog for our number of hosts. As for the rest of your comment, I wish it was true. Developer salaries outside of the capitals is quite low in Europe, and even inside the capitals only go to "near double" So, instead of 12x it becomes 6x developer costs per annum, which is a fair whack of money. For me to justify spending "3-6" peoples worth of money it had better save "3-6" peoples worth of time.
    - user5994461 6y ago
      > For me to justify spending "3-6" peoples worth of money it had better save "3-6" peoples worth of time. Well, it does in my experience, especially if you have to handle 2000+ hosts, that's some serious infra there, need serious tooling. May I ask which country is it?
      - dijit 6y ago
        Sweden! :D
      - aprdm 6y ago
        I think another thing to keep in mind is that not necessarily hardware infrastructure size equals to profitability. Some industries need a lot of hardware because they crunch a lot of data but they aren't software companies. Think Computer graphics rendering. Paying a FTE salary for software is crazy for them. I would love to see a ration of developers/infrastructure per industry/company.
- cs-szazz 6y ago
  You're right, I was narrow-minded in my thinking there, thanks for pointing it out :)

Wait, you're saying it costs 12x as much as your salary? That doesn't seem right... the company I'm at uses it pretty heavily and we're at about 1x of a FTE salary (and it's still super worth it)

klohto 6y ago

World’s salaries aren’t only US based :) Datadog for a smaller Western Europe startup is going to cost more than their devs salaries.

user5994461 6y ago
Western salaries are not that low and true costs to the employer is typically double the perceived salary. That means we're talking tens of thousands of euros, so thousands of hosts (list price is certainly negotiable at this scale). If they've got a thousand of hosts, the costs of the infrastructure itself must dwarf the salary of any developer by orders of magnitude, the salary of a developer is simply irrelevant when it comes to acquiring software/hardware.
- dijit 6y ago
  > true costs to the employer is typically double the perceived salary. This is true, but my comment was an offhanded way to say that my "salary" (as in, the one on my contracts and the one I "see") is less than a month of Datadog for our number of hosts. As for the rest of your comment, I wish it was true. Developer salaries outside of the capitals is quite low in Europe, and even inside the capitals only go to "near double" So, instead of 12x it becomes 6x developer costs per annum, which is a fair whack of money. For me to justify spending "3-6" peoples worth of money it had better save "3-6" peoples worth of time.
  - user5994461 6y ago
    > For me to justify spending "3-6" peoples worth of money it had better save "3-6" peoples worth of time. Well, it does in my experience, especially if you have to handle 2000+ hosts, that's some serious infra there, need serious tooling. May I ask which country is it?
    - dijit 6y ago
      Sweden! :D
    - aprdm 6y ago
      I think another thing to keep in mind is that not necessarily hardware infrastructure size equals to profitability. Some industries need a lot of hardware because they crunch a lot of data but they aren't software companies. Think Computer graphics rendering. Paying a FTE salary for software is crazy for them. I would love to see a ration of developers/infrastructure per industry/company.
cs-szazz 6y ago
You're right, I was narrow-minded in my thinking there, thanks for pointing it out :)