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They said they're going to be doing something for retail consumers soon. Their standard desktop CPUs are flying off the shelves. I imagine there's only so muc

by Jonnax 6y ago

They said they're going to be doing something for retail consumers soon. Their standard desktop CPUs are flying off the shelves. I imagine there's only so much capacity for chip building.

qayxc 6y ago
The main reason is simply market share - the DYI APU market is very small compared to the system builder market. So if 80% of their APUs end up in prebuilt systems anyway, it makes sense for them to focus on that market.
- bryanlarsen 6y ago
  These are down-binned laptop parts, and the OEM's are also laptop manufacturers, so this strategy gives both AMD and the OEM's more flexibility in selecting product mix.
- bjoli 6y ago
  Nothing that I do requires a discrete GPU. I want an integrated GPU that can drive a 4k screen without input lag at 60fps. It kills me that there are no good AMD offerings.
  - spuz 6y ago
    So the 4000G series should be great for you, right?
    - bjoli 6y ago
      Yup. Kind of bummed to see that it is mostly for OEMs though.
slimginz 6y ago
I feel like they'll wait until Ryzen 4th gen comes out since that will be on new silicon (tho still 7nm), leaving a bit of room for extra production of their APUs for DIY since this is still Zen 2 chips just with the 4000 naming.
pjmlp 6y ago
Not sure from where, over here the shelves are full with laptops.
paulpan 6y ago
But feels like this is a short-sighted move. DIY market might statistically only account for 20% of the sales of these APUs, but that's historical data. These new Ryzen 4000 generation should be a significant improvement over the previous generation, and better than what Intel can put out (especially on the graphics front). Just look at the rave reviews regarding the Ryzen 4000 laptops. The DIY market is where a lot of innovation and word-of-mouth brand awareness is built up. Granted it'll be released to DIY market at some point, but it seem like a delayed opportunity. If laptop market is again of any indication, OEMs can give these the "budget unit" treatment and refrain from putting them in their flagship products. Disclaimer: I've been anticipating this release, especially the 4700G chip, so this is very underwhelming.

by Jonnax 6y ago

They said they're going to be doing something for retail consumers soon. Their standard desktop CPUs are flying off the shelves. I imagine there's only so much capacity for chip building.

qayxc 6y ago

The main reason is simply market share - the DYI APU market is very small compared to the system builder market. So if 80% of their APUs end up in prebuilt systems anyway, it makes sense for them to focus on that market.

bryanlarsen 6y ago
These are down-binned laptop parts, and the OEM's are also laptop manufacturers, so this strategy gives both AMD and the OEM's more flexibility in selecting product mix.
bjoli 6y ago
Nothing that I do requires a discrete GPU. I want an integrated GPU that can drive a 4k screen without input lag at 60fps. It kills me that there are no good AMD offerings.
- spuz 6y ago
  So the 4000G series should be great for you, right?
  - bjoli 6y ago
    Yup. Kind of bummed to see that it is mostly for OEMs though.

slimginz 6y ago

I feel like they'll wait until Ryzen 4th gen comes out since that will be on new silicon (tho still 7nm), leaving a bit of room for extra production of their APUs for DIY since this is still Zen 2 chips just with the 4000 naming.

pjmlp 6y ago

Not sure from where, over here the shelves are full with laptops.

paulpan 6y ago

But feels like this is a short-sighted move. DIY market might statistically only account for 20% of the sales of these APUs, but that's historical data. These new Ryzen 4000 generation should be a significant improvement over the previous generation, and better than what Intel can put out (especially on the graphics front). Just look at the rave reviews regarding the Ryzen 4000 laptops. The DIY market is where a lot of innovation and word-of-mouth brand awareness is built up. Granted it'll be released to DIY market at some point, but it seem like a delayed opportunity. If laptop market is again of any indication, OEMs can give these the "budget unit" treatment and refrain from putting them in their flagship products. Disclaimer: I've been anticipating this release, especially the 4700G chip, so this is very underwhelming.