> We can fight it by electing the correct people In theory - the reality is very different. In both the US and UK you effectively have only 2 political parties

> We can fight it by electing the correct people In theory - the reality is very different. In both the US and UK you effectively have only 2 political parties, and have done since forever. In both the US and UK, the foreign policies, stance on mass surveillance, and support for the defence and security services, are the same. Ask yourself when the last time was that the US/UK weren't cosied up Saudi Arabia, or the last time when the US wasn't bombing other countries to hell in the name of freedom or stoppi g the boogeyman de-jour (with allies like the UK in tow, of course). It's been the same since forever, and I don't see how our political system will ever offer a way out, a way to become better nations.