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We really need a law or rule that protects people from this stuff. If you can't 'go to adult jail' when you're 16, you shouldn't go to 'twitter jail' either. M
by jariel 6y ago
We really need a law or rule that protects people from this stuff. If you can't 'go to adult jail' when you're 16, you shouldn't go to 'twitter jail' either.
Moreover - more subtly and more importantly - most teens in 2020 have absolutely no context for racism, 'spouse abuse' and these things (many do, but most don't).
Teens say crazy, crazy things. They'll compare a lot of things to Gorillas, including, sadly 'Black people' - of course it's not right, but there is a context of 'extreme locker room talk' and they'll just say anything. I don't think they mean any of it, it's like someone making a joke about 'The English' - it's not meant to be hateful or offensive, it's just excessive joking around.
It's only when you're an adult, when you see that 'some things are real' does it take another context then all of a sudden words really become a problem.
For example - if this joke were not 'written down on record' - nobody, I mean nobody would care a single bit that he 'said something when he was 16' even if we knew for sure he said it. That it is 'on the record' is effectively what makes it 'situationally toxic' wherein brands have no choice but to back off, and HR teams hands are 'forced' into action.
Twitter should also have a policy on this.
- dragonwriter 6y ago> If you can't 'go to adult jail' when you're 16 You absolutely can go to adult jail at 16.
- jariel 6y agoYes, if you're a stone cold killer, but otherwise, we have a separate set of rules for minors.
- dragonwriter 6y agoYou don't have to be a “stone cold killer”, in fact, the vast majority of juveniles transferred to criminal instead of juvenile court are for nonviolent offenses. It would be more accurate (though still very incompletely so) to say “if you're black”.
- jariel 6y agoEdit: I edited this comment to reflect the 'vast majority of cases transferred to adult court are for non-violent offences' - not - 'the vast majority of juvenile cases are waived to adult court' which was my original interpretation. Only about 1/2 of Juvenile cases are even processed, and a tiny amount, about 0.6% go to adult court. [1] And if by 'vast majority of cases are for non-violent offences' you mean to say about 1/2 - then that's about right. (About 1/2 of the cases that are waived to adult court involve 'crimes against the person', the other 1/2 are property theft, drugs, public disorder). That some are for violent offences, some are for other types of crimes is relevant, but less so in the context that very few cases go to adult court. As for race: Black people are more likely to be waived to 'adult court' but it's mostly a function of the fact they are significantly more likely to be involved in physical crimes against the person, i.e. assault. Though they are overrepresented in all crimes. - for drugs and theft, they are less overrepresented, and White kids, for example are relatively more likely to go to 'adult court' for such crimes (i.e. drugs and theft) given the case rate. Because of the seriousness of violent crimes, which are inherently more likely to be referred to adult court, and the significant overrepresentation of Black kids in that category - more of them in are referred to adult court in relative terms. But the differential between races is small, and, the overall share of cases waived to adult court is quite small. Again: we have completely different systems for adults and juveniles. [1] https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/njcda/pdf/jcs2016.pdf https://www.ojjdp.gov/ojstatbb/njcda/pdf/jcs2016.pdf