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If it doesn't run on MediaWiki, I'm not into it.

by load 6y ago

Eldt 6y ago
If it runs on MediaWiki, I'm not into it.
wutwutwutwut 6y ago
Why?
- load 6y ago
  I mean, I appreciate the effort put into building this, but external tools like AWB, and userscripts/gadgets (plus a host of other goodies) can't be accessed over globally if it's on a completely different software. Almost every wiki on the net uses MediaWiki for good reason. I will be happy if this Wiki.js platform does have compatibility with these features, though.
  - eitland 6y ago
    > Almost every wiki on the net uses MediaWiki for good reason. It is unclear to ne if you refer to statistics or gut feeling here. Would you mind clarifying?
    - iamacyborg 6y ago
      Stats, clearly.
    - load 6y ago
      By 'MediaWiki' I'm referring to the wikis and wiki farms that use MediaWiki or a variant of it. This includes: - Wikimedia - FANDOM - Gamepedia - Miraheze FANDOM is the most massive wiki farm with over 360,000+ (as of 2016) wikis[1], which I'd give at lowest an estimate of 60% of the total number of wikis on the net, and is 88th on the Alexa rankings.[2] FANDOM is a wiki powerhouse, and you bet it uses MediaWiki. Excluding WikiHow, I have never seen a wiki not use MediaWiki. As one of the guys that hops across many different wikis and wiki farms doing automated work, I cannot stress this enough. [1] Brandon Rhea, FANDOM VP of Growth https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Choosing_Fandom?diff=next&oldid=1742190 https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Choosing_Fandom?diff=next&... (dated June 14, 2016) [2] Alexa.com https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fandom.com#section_traffic https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fandom.com#section_traffic (dated ~21 July 2020)
      - iamacyborg 6y ago
        Gamepedia was bought by Fandom too, FYI.
        hadrien01 6y ago
        They're apparently working hard to upgrade and merge their diverging MediaWiki codebases; some details on this very interesting blogpost: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Unified_Community_Platform:_The_Vision,_Purpose,_and_Process https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/...
        iamacyborg 6y ago
        Neat, I actually sold a wiki to Curse pre-Gamepedia and worked there for a short while. Not very happy to see a single company gobble up so much of the online gaming community.
      - bawolff 6y ago
        > Excluding WikiHow WikiHow is using mediawiki (or at least a fork of it) https://src.wikihow.com/ https://src.wikihow.com/ But there certainly exist other wikis and wiki-like projects that dont. MDN and OWASP wiki are prominent examples that moved away from mediawiki. I think mediawiki has most of the mass-collabotation market, but there is much more competition in the open-source project documentation niche (which people often use wikis for) and corporate knowledge base market. P.s. for the interested, mediawiki has statistics at https://pingback.wmflabs.org/#unique-wiki-count https://pingback.wmflabs.org/#unique-wiki-count (opt-in) and https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Main_Page https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Main_Page (based on web crawling)
  - wutwutwutwut 6y ago
    I guess the same reasoning would apply to WordPress, PHP and MySQL then (user scripts, penetration etc). Would that be your first choice when setting up a new web page?
eitland 6y ago
DokuWiki used to be very much better for my use cases: easier to hack on/make plugins for and more built in functionality and less dependencies on top if that since it store the pages as flat files instead of using a DB.
- load 6y ago
  Hmm. I'll go check it out. The main thing I'm worried about with other wiki software (including Wiki.js) is that if it's compatible with gadgets, userscripts and all of the other neat tools already available. It doesn't have to be MediaWiki, or even a distant relative of it. It just has to work with them.

If it doesn't run on MediaWiki, I'm not into it.

by load 6y ago

If it doesn't run on MediaWiki, I'm not into it.

Eldt 6y ago

If it runs on MediaWiki, I'm not into it.

wutwutwutwut 6y ago

Why?

load 6y ago
I mean, I appreciate the effort put into building this, but external tools like AWB, and userscripts/gadgets (plus a host of other goodies) can't be accessed over globally if it's on a completely different software. Almost every wiki on the net uses MediaWiki for good reason. I will be happy if this Wiki.js platform does have compatibility with these features, though.
- eitland 6y ago
  > Almost every wiki on the net uses MediaWiki for good reason. It is unclear to ne if you refer to statistics or gut feeling here. Would you mind clarifying?
  - iamacyborg 6y ago
    Stats, clearly.
  - load 6y ago
    By 'MediaWiki' I'm referring to the wikis and wiki farms that use MediaWiki or a variant of it. This includes: - Wikimedia - FANDOM - Gamepedia - Miraheze FANDOM is the most massive wiki farm with over 360,000+ (as of 2016) wikis[1], which I'd give at lowest an estimate of 60% of the total number of wikis on the net, and is 88th on the Alexa rankings.[2] FANDOM is a wiki powerhouse, and you bet it uses MediaWiki. Excluding WikiHow, I have never seen a wiki not use MediaWiki. As one of the guys that hops across many different wikis and wiki farms doing automated work, I cannot stress this enough. [1] Brandon Rhea, FANDOM VP of Growth https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Choosing_Fandom?diff=next&oldid=1742190 https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Choosing_Fandom?diff=next&... (dated June 14, 2016) [2] Alexa.com https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fandom.com#section_traffic https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/fandom.com#section_traffic (dated ~21 July 2020)
    - iamacyborg 6y ago
      Gamepedia was bought by Fandom too, FYI.
      - hadrien01 6y ago
        They're apparently working hard to upgrade and merge their diverging MediaWiki codebases; some details on this very interesting blogpost: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/Unified_Community_Platform:_The_Vision,_Purpose,_and_Process https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/...
        iamacyborg 6y ago
        Neat, I actually sold a wiki to Curse pre-Gamepedia and worked there for a short while. Not very happy to see a single company gobble up so much of the online gaming community.
    - bawolff 6y ago
      > Excluding WikiHow WikiHow is using mediawiki (or at least a fork of it) https://src.wikihow.com/ https://src.wikihow.com/ But there certainly exist other wikis and wiki-like projects that dont. MDN and OWASP wiki are prominent examples that moved away from mediawiki. I think mediawiki has most of the mass-collabotation market, but there is much more competition in the open-source project documentation niche (which people often use wikis for) and corporate knowledge base market. P.s. for the interested, mediawiki has statistics at https://pingback.wmflabs.org/#unique-wiki-count https://pingback.wmflabs.org/#unique-wiki-count (opt-in) and https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Main_Page https://wikiapiary.com/wiki/Main_Page (based on web crawling)
- wutwutwutwut 6y ago
  I guess the same reasoning would apply to WordPress, PHP and MySQL then (user scripts, penetration etc). Would that be your first choice when setting up a new web page?

eitland 6y ago

DokuWiki used to be very much better for my use cases: easier to hack on/make plugins for and more built in functionality and less dependencies on top if that since it store the pages as flat files instead of using a DB.

load 6y ago
Hmm. I'll go check it out. The main thing I'm worried about with other wiki software (including Wiki.js) is that if it's compatible with gadgets, userscripts and all of the other neat tools already available. It doesn't have to be MediaWiki, or even a distant relative of it. It just has to work with them.