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I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). What you’re doing now is impo

by whb07 6y ago

I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). What you’re doing now is imposing the current day to the past, like looking at the current Airbnb and pretending that’s how it was when it first started. What if perhaps today wouldn’t be achieved if there had been so many rules and regulations? So picture the same government from now and place it in say 1870. What would you say the odds are we DONT end up anywhere as advanced as we are today?

mjlawson 6y ago
That's a really unfair comparison. Suggesting that all regulation is akin to your marmalade example is akin to suggesting that we shouldn't enforce any laws because adultery laws are still on the books. There are good laws, and there are bad laws. There is good regulation, and there is bad regulation. The solution is to curate from the good set, and weed out from the bad set - not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
- whb07 6y ago
  The problem is that many rules just get compounded like shitty layers that needs more turds to make up for the past turds. If there was a temporary cleansing or removing of all laws and therefore the good ones would get immediately reinstated then perhaps that’s a better path. Which coincidentally is exactly what Trumps executive order is attempting to do. Remove 2 for every 1 turd that gets added.
  - AlexandrB 6y ago
    I'd love to see the STEM practitioners who post here developing code in a way where you can only add a line if you remove two others (dependencies included). Otherwise, this just sounds like "do as I say, not as I do".
_Microft 6y ago
Why is it not permitted to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits?
- mjlawson 6y ago
  There's nothing saying you can't. You just can't call it a jam or a marmalade as that has a very specific definition in people's minds. The law itself is detailed here[1]. [1] https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=150.160 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFR...
  - _Microft 6y ago
    Thanks, I was trying to set them up for a "Chesterton's fence" situation tbh ;)
    - mjlawson 6y ago
      I hadn't come across that before! Very nice.
- whb07 6y ago
  Because you’d create PB&J addicts! Can you imagine the scoundrels walking around eating delicious toast and jelly?
jjj1232 6y ago
I think if you left it up to the market we would have even more misleading food labels than we do now. It’s already hard enough to determine what is and isn’t healthy at the supermarket, regulation ensures that we at least have the most basic calorie, nutrient and ingridient information. I wouldn’t even disagree that regulation slows down advancement. That is probably the case! But I also know that in the early 1900s you didn’t have the kinds of child labor laws and workplace safety protections in place that we have now. I’d rather a society without child labor even if it runs a little slower and less efficiently.
cygx 6y ago
I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). Personally, I prefer that to the days of radioactive toothpaste.
- whb07 6y ago
  I’d like to be given the option to. Why should you prevent me a free adult from doing it?
  - cygx 6y ago
    Feel free to create or commission all the radioactive toothpaste you want for your personal use. If your jaw starts falling off, as long as you pay for all associated medical costs yourself, that's your business. The game changes if you make it into a product available for and advertised to the general public.
  - mjlawson 6y ago
    I feel like you're not acting in good faith here, but I'll bite. I consider it not worth my time to have to be an expert in all things in order to live my daily life. I consider the few overburdensome regulations that occur within a system designed to both protect my health and preserve my time to be a very worthy tradeoff.
    - whb07 6y ago
      I agree with what you’re saying. But you’re proposing the same argument of “well how do you know the dealer didn’t sprinkle another drug on your weed?” What makes you think that the toothpaste company wants to use expensive radioactive materials on your plain toothpaste and not charge you for it?
      - mercer 6y ago
        > I agree with what you’re saying. But you’re proposing the same argument of “well how do you know the dealer didn’t sprinkle another drug on your weed?” Uh, that's an excellent argument for legalizing and regulating weed. Or am I missing your point? > What makes you think that the toothpaste company wants to use expensive radioactive materials on your plain toothpaste and not charge you for it? I'll sell my radioactive toothpaste at a slight loss, capture the market, and then raise prices? Just off the top of my head. Or sell my radioactive stuff and also invest in companies that treat cancer.

by whb07 6y ago

mjlawson 6y ago

That's a really unfair comparison. Suggesting that all regulation is akin to your marmalade example is akin to suggesting that we shouldn't enforce any laws because adultery laws are still on the books. There are good laws, and there are bad laws. There is good regulation, and there is bad regulation. The solution is to curate from the good set, and weed out from the bad set - not to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

whb07 6y ago
The problem is that many rules just get compounded like shitty layers that needs more turds to make up for the past turds. If there was a temporary cleansing or removing of all laws and therefore the good ones would get immediately reinstated then perhaps that’s a better path. Which coincidentally is exactly what Trumps executive order is attempting to do. Remove 2 for every 1 turd that gets added.
- AlexandrB 6y ago
  I'd love to see the STEM practitioners who post here developing code in a way where you can only add a line if you remove two others (dependencies included). Otherwise, this just sounds like "do as I say, not as I do".

_Microft 6y ago

Why is it not permitted to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits?

mjlawson 6y ago
There's nothing saying you can't. You just can't call it a jam or a marmalade as that has a very specific definition in people's minds. The law itself is detailed here[1]. [1] https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFRSearch.cfm?fr=150.160 https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/scripts/cdrh/cfdocs/cfCFR/CFR...
- _Microft 6y ago
  Thanks, I was trying to set them up for a "Chesterton's fence" situation tbh ;)
  - mjlawson 6y ago
    I hadn't come across that before! Very nice.
whb07 6y ago
Because you’d create PB&J addicts! Can you imagine the scoundrels walking around eating delicious toast and jelly?

jjj1232 6y ago

I think if you left it up to the market we would have even more misleading food labels than we do now. It’s already hard enough to determine what is and isn’t healthy at the supermarket, regulation ensures that we at least have the most basic calorie, nutrient and ingridient information. I wouldn’t even disagree that regulation slows down advancement. That is probably the case! But I also know that in the early 1900s you didn’t have the kinds of child labor laws and workplace safety protections in place that we have now. I’d rather a society without child labor even if it runs a little slower and less efficiently.

cygx 6y ago

I’m saddened that you think it’s okay to make it a federal crime to create a jelly/marmalade with more than 4 fruits (seriously). Personally, I prefer that to the days of radioactive toothpaste.

whb07 6y ago
I’d like to be given the option to. Why should you prevent me a free adult from doing it?
- cygx 6y ago
  Feel free to create or commission all the radioactive toothpaste you want for your personal use. If your jaw starts falling off, as long as you pay for all associated medical costs yourself, that's your business. The game changes if you make it into a product available for and advertised to the general public.
- mjlawson 6y ago
  I feel like you're not acting in good faith here, but I'll bite. I consider it not worth my time to have to be an expert in all things in order to live my daily life. I consider the few overburdensome regulations that occur within a system designed to both protect my health and preserve my time to be a very worthy tradeoff.
  - whb07 6y ago
    I agree with what you’re saying. But you’re proposing the same argument of “well how do you know the dealer didn’t sprinkle another drug on your weed?” What makes you think that the toothpaste company wants to use expensive radioactive materials on your plain toothpaste and not charge you for it?
    - mercer 6y ago
      > I agree with what you’re saying. But you’re proposing the same argument of “well how do you know the dealer didn’t sprinkle another drug on your weed?” Uh, that's an excellent argument for legalizing and regulating weed. Or am I missing your point? > What makes you think that the toothpaste company wants to use expensive radioactive materials on your plain toothpaste and not charge you for it? I'll sell my radioactive toothpaste at a slight loss, capture the market, and then raise prices? Just off the top of my head. Or sell my radioactive stuff and also invest in companies that treat cancer.