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Son of Federal Judge overseeing Deutsche Bank lawsuits killed in NJ shooting

35 points by vanusa 6y ago

markus_zhang 6y ago
looks like dark politics playing here...
- ardy42 6y ago
  > looks like dark politics playing here... It's really too early to tell, especially after a lot of the early speculation about how the Fahim Saleh murder was a professional hit was totally wrong (it was his assistant, who had been caught embezzling money). Maybe the judge was killed by some no-name small businessman who was ruined in a tax evasion case she tried, whose mind went to a really dark place, ending in a murder-suicide. None of us know anything.
  - ta17711771 6y ago
    Maybe this guy just sucks at lifting weights: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/24/barbell-accident-kills-former-un-leader-accused-of-corruption https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/24/barbell-acci...
    - ardy42 6y ago
      > Maybe this guy just sucks at lifting weights Are you impliying that he was murdered, or committed suicide? I think it's totally plausible he died in a weightlifting accident (spotters are thing for a reason [1]). Accidents of all kinds happen frequently, so logically an accident of some kind will occasionally happen to someone involved in a corruption case. [1] "When the chest and upper-extremity muscles fatigue, there is the risk of the barbell and weights coming to rest on the neck or chest of the lifter. Once this happens, the person may suffer fatal traumatic asphyxia, either due to compression of the airway, neck vasculature, or chest muscles of respiration." (https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=240194 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=2401...)
  - markus_zhang 6y ago
    I understand and yeah let's wait. But from deep of my heart I do believe it's connected...
easterncalculus 6y ago
And was dressed as a FedEx employee... I think that's an important detail. Pretty brazen. Oh, and the suspect supposedly shot himself. Convenient. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas...
- graeme 6y ago
  Was a NYC attorney. Given that, and the death of the attorney, this seems more likely to be some sort of personal issue rather than a sinister political intimidation job. (Meaning the attorney knew the judge and went mad based on some sort of perceived slight)
nawgz 6y ago
This is the scary thing to me about the GOP's new brazen defiance of the law - mob style tactics become more and more effective the more corrupt your government is, and the fact that they have captured the DOJ so completely has to make you doubt that anyone tries to trace this too far...
- gguevaraa 6y ago
  I'm sorry, GOP and DOJ? I assume you have evidence for that assertion.
  - nawgz 6y ago
    Maybe I just mean the Republican party, I am not extremely versed in where the political parties and their affiliated organizations start and end. Anyhow, surely I don't need to provide evidence for the assertion that Barr is a corrupt DOJ and in the pockets of Trump? I'd be happy to, if you insist, but I think this is just known
    - nawgz 6y ago
      Here, since your downvote speaks clearly, here's some links: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/22/why-william-barrs-corruption-probably-cant-save-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/22/why-willi... https://theintercept.com/2020/06/22/william-barr-has-turned-the-justice-department-into-a-law-firm-with-one-client-donald-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2020/06/22/william-barr-has-turned-... I have no idea what the reputability of these papers are, but they were the top two links on a very simple search "bill barr corrupt doj", so take the rabbit hole however deep you need to see this
pjkundert 6y ago
And then, the suspect commits “suicide”. Riiiiight...
gguevaraa 6y ago
ZeroHedge coverage has been pretty good[0]. Apparently, the suspect who was dressed as a FedEx employee was "an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015". Authorities are also not commenting on whether this had anything to do with the Deutsche Bank/Epstein case. Still think it's too early to draw any meaningful conclusions but given how she was given the Deutsche Bank lawsuit only recently[1] and how the suspect conveniently offed himself, it's hard not to speculate. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what investigators find. [0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunman-kills-son-federal-judge-recently-assigned-epstein-case https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunman-kills-son-federal... [1]: https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/nj-judge-esther-salas-took-on-epstein-case-days-before-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/nj-judge-esther-salas-took-on-...

35 points by vanusa 6y ago

markus_zhang 6y ago

looks like dark politics playing here...

ardy42 6y ago
> looks like dark politics playing here... It's really too early to tell, especially after a lot of the early speculation about how the Fahim Saleh murder was a professional hit was totally wrong (it was his assistant, who had been caught embezzling money). Maybe the judge was killed by some no-name small businessman who was ruined in a tax evasion case she tried, whose mind went to a really dark place, ending in a murder-suicide. None of us know anything.
- ta17711771 6y ago
  Maybe this guy just sucks at lifting weights: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/24/barbell-accident-kills-former-un-leader-accused-of-corruption https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/24/barbell-acci...
  - ardy42 6y ago
    > Maybe this guy just sucks at lifting weights Are you impliying that he was murdered, or committed suicide? I think it's totally plausible he died in a weightlifting accident (spotters are thing for a reason [1]). Accidents of all kinds happen frequently, so logically an accident of some kind will occasionally happen to someone involved in a corruption case. [1] "When the chest and upper-extremity muscles fatigue, there is the risk of the barbell and weights coming to rest on the neck or chest of the lifter. Once this happens, the person may suffer fatal traumatic asphyxia, either due to compression of the airway, neck vasculature, or chest muscles of respiration." (https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=240194 https://www.ncjrs.gov/App/Publications/abstract.aspx?ID=2401...)
- markus_zhang 6y ago
  I understand and yeah let's wait. But from deep of my heart I do believe it's connected...

easterncalculus 6y ago

And was dressed as a FedEx employee... I think that's an important detail. Pretty brazen. Oh, and the suspect supposedly shot himself. Convenient. https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas-shooting-investigation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/19/us/federal-judge-esther-salas...

graeme 6y ago
Was a NYC attorney. Given that, and the death of the attorney, this seems more likely to be some sort of personal issue rather than a sinister political intimidation job. (Meaning the attorney knew the judge and went mad based on some sort of perceived slight)

nawgz 6y ago

This is the scary thing to me about the GOP's new brazen defiance of the law - mob style tactics become more and more effective the more corrupt your government is, and the fact that they have captured the DOJ so completely has to make you doubt that anyone tries to trace this too far...

gguevaraa 6y ago
I'm sorry, GOP and DOJ? I assume you have evidence for that assertion.
- nawgz 6y ago
  Maybe I just mean the Republican party, I am not extremely versed in where the political parties and their affiliated organizations start and end. Anyhow, surely I don't need to provide evidence for the assertion that Barr is a corrupt DOJ and in the pockets of Trump? I'd be happy to, if you insist, but I think this is just known
  - nawgz 6y ago
    Here, since your downvote speaks clearly, here's some links: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/22/why-william-barrs-corruption-probably-cant-save-trump/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/22/why-willi... https://theintercept.com/2020/06/22/william-barr-has-turned-the-justice-department-into-a-law-firm-with-one-client-donald-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2020/06/22/william-barr-has-turned-... I have no idea what the reputability of these papers are, but they were the top two links on a very simple search "bill barr corrupt doj", so take the rabbit hole however deep you need to see this

pjkundert 6y ago

And then, the suspect commits “suicide”. Riiiiight...

gguevaraa 6y ago

ZeroHedge coverage has been pretty good[0]. Apparently, the suspect who was dressed as a FedEx employee was "an attorney who had a case before Judge Salas in 2015". Authorities are also not commenting on whether this had anything to do with the Deutsche Bank/Epstein case. Still think it's too early to draw any meaningful conclusions but given how she was given the Deutsche Bank lawsuit only recently[1] and how the suspect conveniently offed himself, it's hard not to speculate. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what investigators find. [0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunman-kills-son-federal-judge-recently-assigned-epstein-case https://www.zerohedge.com/political/gunman-kills-son-federal... [1]: https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/nj-judge-esther-salas-took-on-epstein-case-days-before-shooting/ https://nypost.com/2020/07/20/nj-judge-esther-salas-took-on-...