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This is all an exercise in hubris. I really dislike these types of things since they always forget one thing. In a world without infinite resources distribute

This is all an exercise in hubris. I really dislike these types of things since they always forget one thing. In a world without infinite resources distributed to anyone that wants them. All of this is pointless. The second anything that has solid long term staying power it will be subverted by people's that wants a bigger share of the pie. In short all of these projects forget or ignore human nature.

shadowprofile77 6y ago
People have been making your same essential claim in different variations for literally centuries, and have always proven to be wrong by the course of change and more importantly, human creative innovation. The pie may be fixed in certain specific absolute terms but in most ways it's far from that. It has room for many unique solutions that expand the scope of how we can create more from what we have to keep our well-being relatively high for the very long term. Also, because we have worries about our future sustainability now we should thus stop the "hubris" of planning for longevity? What an absurd argument right from square one.
- PTOB 6y ago
  I dunno. Seems like most Marxist efforts thus far have pretty much made poor assumptions about human nature, causing their collapse or transformation into something less hopeful. Heck, the USA barely survived its first hundred years, and it might be the best example the world has of a long-term plan that's mostly intact. I think the hubris mentioned above is to believe that one set of ideas from a small handful of people are so correct, and their conclusions so obvious, that all of humanity will immediately shift gears in their minds and hearts to conform to them. We can look at history and see this this sort of thinking leads to the necessary killing, enslavement, or exile of human beings who - for some unknown reason - disagree with the ideas.

shadowprofile77 6y ago

People have been making your same essential claim in different variations for literally centuries, and have always proven to be wrong by the course of change and more importantly, human creative innovation. The pie may be fixed in certain specific absolute terms but in most ways it's far from that. It has room for many unique solutions that expand the scope of how we can create more from what we have to keep our well-being relatively high for the very long term. Also, because we have worries about our future sustainability now we should thus stop the "hubris" of planning for longevity? What an absurd argument right from square one.

PTOB 6y ago
I dunno. Seems like most Marxist efforts thus far have pretty much made poor assumptions about human nature, causing their collapse or transformation into something less hopeful. Heck, the USA barely survived its first hundred years, and it might be the best example the world has of a long-term plan that's mostly intact. I think the hubris mentioned above is to believe that one set of ideas from a small handful of people are so correct, and their conclusions so obvious, that all of humanity will immediately shift gears in their minds and hearts to conform to them. We can look at history and see this this sort of thinking leads to the necessary killing, enslavement, or exile of human beings who - for some unknown reason - disagree with the ideas.