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Okay here's the thing. I'm okay with people bashing other (competing) companies when they do wrong. However, I believe it is somewhat childish and uncalled for

Okay here's the thing. I'm okay with people bashing other (competing) companies when they do wrong. However, I believe it is somewhat childish and uncalled for to bash another company, because of a mistake. First of all "I use easyDNS so I didn't notice it at all tbh" is not only a childish assertion, it's borderline a falsehood. You DO NOT offer the same services, nor the same scale. (No, VOD would not work if your VOD provider used Cloudflare's offering.) Second of all, as some have noted in other comments, you are very welcome to get just as big as them if you can offer similar (excellent) service and similar extremely competitive pricing. Otherwise, keep working on your offer and stop going for low hanging fruit like bashing the competitor for an outage when they literally might handle 1000x your traffic, and perhaps offer 20x the services your offer. Just a little rant ...

bszupnick 6y ago
Honestly I didn't notice the domain name, and I actually thought the author was being quite understanding by saying things like "This is inevitable and unavoidable and entirely excusable. Everybody blows up, every DNS provider in existence will experience downtime. No exceptions." and that they use Cloudflare themselves. This is obviously subjective, but to me it didn't come across as "they suck use us" but rather pointing out the inherent flaws in this quite popular SPOF and cautioning to avoid it.
- techslave 6y ago
  the tone may have been moderate, but the message is smug. otoh it’s just marketing, and CF is no stranger to it, so i think it’s fair.
- csharptwdec19 6y ago
  I think the root cause (which, IMO, you correctly point out) is lost on many modern developers. For whatever reason there's this modern idea that if a company A is paying money to company B for a service, that company B will handle all the 'hard stuff' for them. The end result is we have a lot of applications/infra built with SPOFs, in some cases known, but in many, swept under the rug and abstracted away to passing the buck in case of a large failure (i.e. major AWS/Cloudflare/Azure outages). You also see this at times when vendors pitch internal software solutions. I've been at more than one shop where a vendor's 'silver bullet' turned into a SPOF time-bomb because nobody considered this company's solution could fail. After all, the sales presentation said it had %nines%!
  - TheCoelacanth 6y ago
    "Your app will go down when half the Internet goes down" is not that big of a deal to most software companies, because: 1. no one's going to blame me if my app goes down when half the Internet is also down but they are going to blame me if my custom solution to the same thing causes an outage, 2. there's no way my custom solution is going to achieve the same uptime. AWS/Cloudflare/Azure are not perfect, but whatever I roll for myself is almost certainly going to be much less perfect.
    - Semaphor 6y ago
      Regarding 2, that’s exactly what the blog post was advocating for: Redundancy. They weren’t saying give up on Cloudflare (as they mentioned, they use it themselves).
    - deleted 6y ago
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    - Sephiroth87 6y ago
      They do blame you though, most people won't be aware of the real issue, when cloudflare went down, the trending things on twitter were #spotifydown and #applemusic
      - mercer 6y ago
        I suspect customers complaining on Twitter are not the ones cared about to whoever decides to use Cloudflare.
        yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
        I build an app. I use CF for my app. Customers use my app. CF has an outage. Customers don't care why I'm down, they care that my app isn't working.
        when_it-rains 6y ago
throw0101a 6y ago
> However, I believe it is somewhat childish and uncalled for to bash another company, because of a mistake. The thing that they're bashing is not the mistake, which happens to everyone. They're bashing SPOF: > EasyDNS was unaffected because while we do use Cloudflare to soak up large DDoS attacks against our nameservers, we don’t use them across all of our nameservers. I think somewhere in my book I wrote “DNS providers have a near-pathological aversion to SPOFs” (Single Point of Failures). Maybe only we do.
syshum 6y ago
Well if you are going to rant, you might want to rant and quote what they ACTUALLY said, not what you conceived in you mind what they were saying You indicate they said " "I use easyDNS so I didn't notice it at all tbh" but NO WHERE IN THAT ARTICLE was that statement The actual quote is "We’re familiar with Cloudflare’s DDoS service for DNS providers, because we use it ourselves. Fortunately easyDNS was not impacted by the outage (I didn’t even notice it, tbh)," This is a MUCH different statement than you attempt to cast out as call "childish". He is stating that the services they use of CloudFlare was not impacted by the outage

bszupnick 6y ago

Honestly I didn't notice the domain name, and I actually thought the author was being quite understanding by saying things like "This is inevitable and unavoidable and entirely excusable. Everybody blows up, every DNS provider in existence will experience downtime. No exceptions." and that they use Cloudflare themselves. This is obviously subjective, but to me it didn't come across as "they suck use us" but rather pointing out the inherent flaws in this quite popular SPOF and cautioning to avoid it.

techslave 6y ago
the tone may have been moderate, but the message is smug. otoh it’s just marketing, and CF is no stranger to it, so i think it’s fair.
csharptwdec19 6y ago
I think the root cause (which, IMO, you correctly point out) is lost on many modern developers. For whatever reason there's this modern idea that if a company A is paying money to company B for a service, that company B will handle all the 'hard stuff' for them. The end result is we have a lot of applications/infra built with SPOFs, in some cases known, but in many, swept under the rug and abstracted away to passing the buck in case of a large failure (i.e. major AWS/Cloudflare/Azure outages). You also see this at times when vendors pitch internal software solutions. I've been at more than one shop where a vendor's 'silver bullet' turned into a SPOF time-bomb because nobody considered this company's solution could fail. After all, the sales presentation said it had %nines%!
- TheCoelacanth 6y ago
  "Your app will go down when half the Internet goes down" is not that big of a deal to most software companies, because: 1. no one's going to blame me if my app goes down when half the Internet is also down but they are going to blame me if my custom solution to the same thing causes an outage, 2. there's no way my custom solution is going to achieve the same uptime. AWS/Cloudflare/Azure are not perfect, but whatever I roll for myself is almost certainly going to be much less perfect.
  - Semaphor 6y ago
    Regarding 2, that’s exactly what the blog post was advocating for: Redundancy. They weren’t saying give up on Cloudflare (as they mentioned, they use it themselves).
  - deleted 6y ago
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  - Sephiroth87 6y ago
    They do blame you though, most people won't be aware of the real issue, when cloudflare went down, the trending things on twitter were #spotifydown and #applemusic
    - mercer 6y ago
      I suspect customers complaining on Twitter are not the ones cared about to whoever decides to use Cloudflare.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 6y ago
        I build an app. I use CF for my app. Customers use my app. CF has an outage. Customers don't care why I'm down, they care that my app isn't working.
        when_it-rains 6y ago

throw0101a 6y ago

> However, I believe it is somewhat childish and uncalled for to bash another company, because of a mistake. The thing that they're bashing is not the mistake, which happens to everyone. They're bashing SPOF: > EasyDNS was unaffected because while we do use Cloudflare to soak up large DDoS attacks against our nameservers, we don’t use them across all of our nameservers. I think somewhere in my book I wrote “DNS providers have a near-pathological aversion to SPOFs” (Single Point of Failures). Maybe only we do.

syshum 6y ago

Well if you are going to rant, you might want to rant and quote what they ACTUALLY said, not what you conceived in you mind what they were saying You indicate they said " "I use easyDNS so I didn't notice it at all tbh" but NO WHERE IN THAT ARTICLE was that statement The actual quote is "We’re familiar with Cloudflare’s DDoS service for DNS providers, because we use it ourselves. Fortunately easyDNS was not impacted by the outage (I didn’t even notice it, tbh)," This is a MUCH different statement than you attempt to cast out as call "childish". He is stating that the services they use of CloudFlare was not impacted by the outage