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> Oh, and by the way, I believe saying "This AI stuff is dangerous to world", the same as politicians saying "We need to check your web history for pedophilia s

> Oh, and by the way, I believe saying "This AI stuff is dangerous to world", the same as politicians saying "We need to check your web history for pedophilia stuff". It's funny how some people don't see the irony in how they oppose one thing and support another that is practically the same. Some AI/ML applications are clearly dangerous to the world. See other HN comment sections when facial recognition comes up.

AlexandrB 6y ago
> Some AI/ML applications are clearly dangerous to the world. See other HN comment sections when facial recognition comes up. I'm pretty ignorant on the background of what's being discussed (what did OpenAI change/do to become more closed?). But if OpenAI really believed this, the right thing to do would be to shut down and spend the money on advocacy. As it is, it seems that they're still releasing machine learning code/models, just not to everyone.
kerkeslager 6y ago
So, let me start by saying, facial recognition is absolutely dangerous. But I'm not seeing anything meaningful being done about this. Some companies are refusing to sell AI to the government, but some, such as ClearView, are openly selling to any government including ones that will use it to hunt down gays or protestors. This cat is out of the bag. Even if comprehensive legislation is passed in the US which limits facial recognition use to law enforcement with a warrant, US law enforcement has repeatedly shown themselves to be above the law, with numerous loopholes to get around warrants. And that only affects the US. China, for example, will have no such compunctions. Having facial recognition closed source doesn't do anything to prevent bad actors from using it to do harm. It simply means that only those with enough money to buy licenses get to use it--governments and corporations who have repeatedly shown themselves to be the bad guys when it comes to privacy. The only difference if this is open source is that it puts this power in the hands of people with average incomes, and there are a lot of cases where this could be a good thing. We have seen, for example, pictures taken of police officers hiding their badge numbers illegally at protests in the past few weeks--facial recognition could help unmask these bad apples.

AlexandrB 6y ago

> Some AI/ML applications are clearly dangerous to the world. See other HN comment sections when facial recognition comes up. I'm pretty ignorant on the background of what's being discussed (what did OpenAI change/do to become more closed?). But if OpenAI really believed this, the right thing to do would be to shut down and spend the money on advocacy. As it is, it seems that they're still releasing machine learning code/models, just not to everyone.

kerkeslager 6y ago

So, let me start by saying, facial recognition is absolutely dangerous. But I'm not seeing anything meaningful being done about this. Some companies are refusing to sell AI to the government, but some, such as ClearView, are openly selling to any government including ones that will use it to hunt down gays or protestors. This cat is out of the bag. Even if comprehensive legislation is passed in the US which limits facial recognition use to law enforcement with a warrant, US law enforcement has repeatedly shown themselves to be above the law, with numerous loopholes to get around warrants. And that only affects the US. China, for example, will have no such compunctions. Having facial recognition closed source doesn't do anything to prevent bad actors from using it to do harm. It simply means that only those with enough money to buy licenses get to use it--governments and corporations who have repeatedly shown themselves to be the bad guys when it comes to privacy. The only difference if this is open source is that it puts this power in the hands of people with average incomes, and there are a lot of cases where this could be a good thing. We have seen, for example, pictures taken of police officers hiding their badge numbers illegally at protests in the past few weeks--facial recognition could help unmask these bad apples.