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Its not a zero sum. This will increase interest in other @Home projects. It's really wonderful that thousands of people can work together to solve interesting p

by z3t4 6y ago

Its not a zero sum. This will increase interest in other @Home projects. It's really wonderful that thousands of people can work together to solve interesting problems - all over the world.

nuccy 6y ago
There seem to be a strong belief that everything what is done for scientific purpose is "useful" automatically, though it is not always the case. Occasionally massive amounts of resources of huge supercomputers and research clusters are wasted for useless tests, mistakes, typos, accidentally executed tasks, wrong input data, wrong configurations, etc, which then run for weeks or months with zero use afterwards. So indeed if this popularizes @Home projects for young people then it is very beneficial.
- kiplkipl 6y ago
  Or that what is done for entertainment purposes is not useful.
- nuccy 6y ago
  P.S. By saying that I'm not suggesting we should decrease the amount of resources for research, actually the opposite, since misuse is a fraction of the whole process and some discoveries would not be possible without such mistakes. We should increase the amount of resources and more importantly find people who are eager to utilize them for the sake of science, research and development. For instance in LIGO gravitational wave detector one of PhD students accidentally misconfigured one of the black hole-neutron star merger simulation runs, so that it took months instead of days, but resulted in very detailed simulation, which then was used to study fine details of the observed signals.
hn_check 6y ago
There is going to be a finite number of people who are going to dedicate their computing resources (with the security, usability, and power consumption/heat issues that entails). I suspect that number is relatively small. It seems the definition of zero sum. It's hard to rationalize virtually any notions of conservation (being green, AGW concerned, etc) with this project. Finding the seed of pewdiepie's world is somewhere between absolutely meaningless and completely meaningless.
- kiplkipl 6y ago
  Then what is the meaning behind the expensive, power-hungry hardware used to host his videos? Fun is a meaning!

by z3t4 6y ago

Its not a zero sum. This will increase interest in other @Home projects. It's really wonderful that thousands of people can work together to solve interesting problems - all over the world.

nuccy 6y ago

There seem to be a strong belief that everything what is done for scientific purpose is "useful" automatically, though it is not always the case. Occasionally massive amounts of resources of huge supercomputers and research clusters are wasted for useless tests, mistakes, typos, accidentally executed tasks, wrong input data, wrong configurations, etc, which then run for weeks or months with zero use afterwards. So indeed if this popularizes @Home projects for young people then it is very beneficial.

kiplkipl 6y ago
Or that what is done for entertainment purposes is not useful.
nuccy 6y ago
P.S. By saying that I'm not suggesting we should decrease the amount of resources for research, actually the opposite, since misuse is a fraction of the whole process and some discoveries would not be possible without such mistakes. We should increase the amount of resources and more importantly find people who are eager to utilize them for the sake of science, research and development. For instance in LIGO gravitational wave detector one of PhD students accidentally misconfigured one of the black hole-neutron star merger simulation runs, so that it took months instead of days, but resulted in very detailed simulation, which then was used to study fine details of the observed signals.

hn_check 6y ago

There is going to be a finite number of people who are going to dedicate their computing resources (with the security, usability, and power consumption/heat issues that entails). I suspect that number is relatively small. It seems the definition of zero sum. It's hard to rationalize virtually any notions of conservation (being green, AGW concerned, etc) with this project. Finding the seed of pewdiepie's world is somewhere between absolutely meaningless and completely meaningless.

kiplkipl 6y ago
Then what is the meaning behind the expensive, power-hungry hardware used to host his videos? Fun is a meaning!