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But Moka isn't espresso and neither is Aeropress. They don't even pretend to be. I think it's pretty easy to get a good, consistent espresso from something li

by Lio 6y ago

But Moka isn't espresso and neither is Aeropress. They don't even pretend to be. I think it's pretty easy to get a good, consistent espresso from something like a cheap home Breville/Sage/Solis machine. You don't really need to be very "into it" for that. Just buy good beans and adjust the grinder as per the instructions and feedback either from the timer or pressure gauge. They're just a few hundred bucks for a decent single boiler machine. Too many cafes just service customers wanting milk based coffee these days to really care about espresso drinking customers. IMHO that's why they have these weird "espresso" roasts which are really just over-roasted or overly acidic (to my pallet) "green" roasts. Just get a decent medium roast, a conical burr grinder (can be built into the machine) and you're good to go.

ntsplnkv2 6y ago
> But Moka isn't espresso and neither is Aeropress. It isn't - but what most people want is coffee. They think they want espresso - until they realize how expensive and truly difficult it is to dial in. > You don't really need to be very "into it" for that. Just buy good beans and adjust the grinder as per the instructions and feedback either from the timer or pressure gauge. Which grinder? Most grinders don't properly grind for espresso - you need a solid burr grinder specifically for espresso to get consistent results. You're starting at $400. Which Cafe's are you guys going to? So many great espresso options in my city (A mid-sized city). I highly doubt you can't find good espresso in any major city.
- Lio 6y ago
  A Breville Barista Express for $699[1] with a built in grinder. It’s fool proof, really. 1. https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/breville-barista-express-espresso-machine-bes870xl https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/breville-barista-express-e...
  - ntsplnkv2 6y ago
    It's a great entry level espresso machine for sure, but the grinder is just OK, and is conical, also it is a heat-exchanger system which isn't good for making a lot of shots compared to a dual boiler.

by Lio 6y ago

ntsplnkv2 6y ago

> But Moka isn't espresso and neither is Aeropress. It isn't - but what most people want is coffee. They think they want espresso - until they realize how expensive and truly difficult it is to dial in. > You don't really need to be very "into it" for that. Just buy good beans and adjust the grinder as per the instructions and feedback either from the timer or pressure gauge. Which grinder? Most grinders don't properly grind for espresso - you need a solid burr grinder specifically for espresso to get consistent results. You're starting at $400. Which Cafe's are you guys going to? So many great espresso options in my city (A mid-sized city). I highly doubt you can't find good espresso in any major city.

Lio 6y ago
A Breville Barista Express for $699[1] with a built in grinder. It’s fool proof, really. 1. https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/breville-barista-express-espresso-machine-bes870xl https://www.seattlecoffeegear.com/breville-barista-express-e...
- ntsplnkv2 6y ago
  It's a great entry level espresso machine for sure, but the grinder is just OK, and is conical, also it is a heat-exchanger system which isn't good for making a lot of shots compared to a dual boiler.