I don't remember drinking a comparable coffee from a fully automatic machine. Also keep in mind that the top of line Jura has two boilers, which make it twice a

I don't remember drinking a comparable coffee from a fully automatic machine. Also keep in mind that the top of line Jura has two boilers, which make it twice as expensive, but not necessarily better. I suppose that they're generally targeted to shops; I've seen it only once or twice in a consumer context. There is a potentially significant difference between a Nespresso and an automatic machine, which is qualitative and adhoc grinding. Producing "nespressos" is fully vertically integrated. They have control over the coffee beans, the grinding process (which can potentially be high quality), and the machine. I doubt that a fully automatic sports a high-quality grinder (I guess that most, if not all, don't have an acceptable quality one). Regarding moka, there's no comparison. It makes a watery coffee. It's very popular because it's the cheap and easy way to make an "espresso".