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Man Dressed as Delivery Driver Executes Hit on Federal Judges House

117 points by Kapura 6y ago

HowardStark 6y ago
Other thread with discussion is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894701
- pjc50 6y ago
  Other thread makes a claim about the case involved without it being mentioned in the article - any evidence for that?
  - ivalm 6y ago
    They link to this, the name of judge matches: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/securities-law/deutsche-bank-investors-sue-over-epstein-ties-stock-drops https://news.bloomberglaw.com/securities-law/deutsche-bank-i...
    - acqq 6y ago
      And even the part of the article which isn’t behind the paywall is enough: “Deutsche Bank Investors Sue Over Epstein Ties, Stock Drops July 16, 2020, 4:29 PM COURT: D.N.J. TRACK DOCKET: No. 20-cv-08978 JUDGE: Esther Salas” Compare with the subtitle of the OP: “Judge Esther Salas, who serves on the federal bench in New Jersey...” The court documents are also accessible: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17354158/karimi-v-deutsche-bank-aktiengesellschaft/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17354158/karimi-v-deuts...
  - vmception 6y ago
    there isn't. it could just as easily be another personal assistant who should have been turned in for embezzlement. the point being that we don't know anything and the speculation is useless.
- senectus1 6y ago
  Title is better here...
aaron695 6y ago
This is on 8kun but not 4chan, which is strange. Is there some hint a 4chan person has LARPed this?
- jacobush 6y ago
  Even if it were, why wouldn't it still be on 4chan?
  - aaron695 6y ago
    I assume the mods are taking it down on 4chan. It's going to be either a personal matter, related to the men, so not HN news. Or related to Epstein, unlikely, but that's why its here on HN, in which case it will be a 4chan style person LARPing.
switch11 6y ago
guess the Judge was honest and didn't accept a bribe
tomp 6y ago
> Federal judge's son, 20, is shot dead and her criminal defense attorney husband is critically injured after a gunman disguised as a FedEx driver ambushed their home - four days after she was assigned a case linked to Jeffrey Epstein > Last week, on July 15, the judge was assigned to a case that had links to late sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein. > The case Salas is presiding over involves as ongoing lawsuit brought by Deutsche Bank investors who claim the company made false and misleading statements about its anti-money laundering policies and failed to monitor 'high-risk' customers including convicted sex offender billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8539683/amp/Federal-judges-son-shot-dead-husband-wounded-attack-man-dressed-FedEx-driver.html?__twitter_impression=true https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8539683/amp/Federal...
- IAmEveryone 6y ago
  Yes, it's a case related to Epstein. But it's really a run-of-the-mill investor protection lawsuit like thousands each year. It's also day seven of her being assigned the case. She may have sent out some preliminary inquiries to start thinking about a trial schedule. She definitely didn't make any decisions that have the potential to expose whatever criminal mastermind people believe to be lurking in the shadows. Later in the trial, a judge's recusal could have resulted in a mistrial, potentially delayed it for years, or even caused plaintiffs to run of money or patience to try again. But at the very beginning, there is no reason to believe she is different than any other judge who would be assigned in her stead, and the schedule would barely be affected.
  - modo_mario 6y ago
    There is the whole thing with DB executives killing themselves that makes it all the more suspicious. https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1202038729910697985?s=19 https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1202038729910697985?s=19
  - mercer 6y ago
    > But at the very beginning, there is no reason to believe she is different than any other judge who would be assigned in her stead, and the schedule would barely be affected. The judge that would be assigned in her stead is different in that they will operate with the knowledge that their predecessor had their family murdered, quite possibly because of the case they're now handling. How is that not obvious?
tomcam 6y ago
Target may well have been the husband, who's a criminal defense attorney. They're targets more often than you'd think.
- cosmiccatnap 6y ago
  This makes the most sense. I think they have spun it as a survival story because that tastes better than "crazy gunman succeeds"
lprd 6y ago
I saw an imgur post earlier today that suggests it's related to Epstein: https://imgur.com/gallery/lV2abFj?s=sms https://imgur.com/gallery/lV2abFj?s=sms https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/son-of-federal-judge-slain-husband-in-critical-condition/ https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/son-of-federal-judge-sl...
pjc50 6y ago
Epilogue: lead suspect is a deranged misogynistic lawyer https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/roy-den-hollander-judge-esther-salas-suspect-suicide-shooting-a9629361.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/roy-den-ho...

117 points by Kapura 6y ago

Other thread with discussion is here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894701 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23894701

pjc50 6y ago
Other thread makes a claim about the case involved without it being mentioned in the article - any evidence for that?
- ivalm 6y ago
  They link to this, the name of judge matches: https://news.bloomberglaw.com/securities-law/deutsche-bank-investors-sue-over-epstein-ties-stock-drops https://news.bloomberglaw.com/securities-law/deutsche-bank-i...
  - acqq 6y ago
    And even the part of the article which isn’t behind the paywall is enough: “Deutsche Bank Investors Sue Over Epstein Ties, Stock Drops July 16, 2020, 4:29 PM COURT: D.N.J. TRACK DOCKET: No. 20-cv-08978 JUDGE: Esther Salas” Compare with the subtitle of the OP: “Judge Esther Salas, who serves on the federal bench in New Jersey...” The court documents are also accessible: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17354158/karimi-v-deutsche-bank-aktiengesellschaft/ https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/17354158/karimi-v-deuts...
- vmception 6y ago
  there isn't. it could just as easily be another personal assistant who should have been turned in for embezzlement. the point being that we don't know anything and the speculation is useless.
senectus1 6y ago
Title is better here...

aaron695 6y ago

This is on 8kun but not 4chan, which is strange. Is there some hint a 4chan person has LARPed this?

jacobush 6y ago
Even if it were, why wouldn't it still be on 4chan?
- aaron695 6y ago
  I assume the mods are taking it down on 4chan. It's going to be either a personal matter, related to the men, so not HN news. Or related to Epstein, unlikely, but that's why its here on HN, in which case it will be a 4chan style person LARPing.

switch11 6y ago

guess the Judge was honest and didn't accept a bribe

tomp 6y ago

> Federal judge's son, 20, is shot dead and her criminal defense attorney husband is critically injured after a gunman disguised as a FedEx driver ambushed their home - four days after she was assigned a case linked to Jeffrey Epstein > Last week, on July 15, the judge was assigned to a case that had links to late sex abuser Jeffrey Epstein. > The case Salas is presiding over involves as ongoing lawsuit brought by Deutsche Bank investors who claim the company made false and misleading statements about its anti-money laundering policies and failed to monitor 'high-risk' customers including convicted sex offender billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8539683/amp/Federal-judges-son-shot-dead-husband-wounded-attack-man-dressed-FedEx-driver.html?__twitter_impression=true https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8539683/amp/Federal...

IAmEveryone 6y ago
Yes, it's a case related to Epstein. But it's really a run-of-the-mill investor protection lawsuit like thousands each year. It's also day seven of her being assigned the case. She may have sent out some preliminary inquiries to start thinking about a trial schedule. She definitely didn't make any decisions that have the potential to expose whatever criminal mastermind people believe to be lurking in the shadows. Later in the trial, a judge's recusal could have resulted in a mistrial, potentially delayed it for years, or even caused plaintiffs to run of money or patience to try again. But at the very beginning, there is no reason to believe she is different than any other judge who would be assigned in her stead, and the schedule would barely be affected.
- modo_mario 6y ago
  There is the whole thing with DB executives killing themselves that makes it all the more suspicious. https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1202038729910697985?s=19 https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1202038729910697985?s=19
- mercer 6y ago
  > But at the very beginning, there is no reason to believe she is different than any other judge who would be assigned in her stead, and the schedule would barely be affected. The judge that would be assigned in her stead is different in that they will operate with the knowledge that their predecessor had their family murdered, quite possibly because of the case they're now handling. How is that not obvious?

tomcam 6y ago

Target may well have been the husband, who's a criminal defense attorney. They're targets more often than you'd think.

cosmiccatnap 6y ago
This makes the most sense. I think they have spun it as a survival story because that tastes better than "crazy gunman succeeds"

lprd 6y ago

I saw an imgur post earlier today that suggests it's related to Epstein: https://imgur.com/gallery/lV2abFj?s=sms https://imgur.com/gallery/lV2abFj?s=sms https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/son-of-federal-judge-slain-husband-in-critical-condition/ https://newjerseyglobe.com/judiciary/son-of-federal-judge-sl...

pjc50 6y ago

Epilogue: lead suspect is a deranged misogynistic lawyer https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/roy-den-hollander-judge-esther-salas-suspect-suicide-shooting-a9629361.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/roy-den-ho...