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If you like Ruby on Rails so much, why don’t you find a job programming Ruby on Rails? There are so many.

by Nbox9 6y ago

mandelbrotwurst 6y ago
He mentioned that he had a job doing that, but the company moved away from the framework without technical justification. He could find another, but there would be no guarantee that the same thing wouldn't happen again.
- Nbox9 6y ago
  > the company moved away from the framework without technical justification I think this alone is enough justification to look for a new place to work, but I’m just a job hopping millennial.
  - vinceguidry 6y ago
    I did. Asked to be moved to a different client. Still there.
nthj 6y ago
My experience is that nobody actually does things The Rails Way, which is where most of the benefits come in. No, they’ll start out in Rails such that their underlying data model evolves into a huge mess (because Rails guards against most problems in the code layer, so the data model problems don’t really appear as bugs yet), and then some resume-driven developer will push for serverless or microservices to solve scalability problems (when the actual bottleneck is the database and the data model, not Rails), and now you’re left managing this Frankensteinish “rails” SPA beast that could be rewritten as a proper database schema and a 5K LOC Rails app, but there’s too much change control process to actually achieve that.
- chrischattin 6y ago
  Rails does so much of the plumbing work for you (and does it really well) that it’s a good smell test that if you’re not working on something that the user sees, you’re probably reinventing the wheel.
- ratww 6y ago
  The biggest waste of time I've ever seen in my career was when a team put all their backend efforts into migrating their app from The Rails Way to Services, then from Services to Trailblazer, then from Trailblazer to ActiveInteraction. All in the span of two years and without delivering a finished product. In the end the company just bought a competitor and gave up on the app. 100% agree that doing things The Rails Way is where you reap the benefits.
vinceguidry 6y ago
After it happened twice, I just gave in to the inevitable and decided to value jobs based on other factors.

If you like Ruby on Rails so much, why don’t you find a job programming Ruby on Rails? There are so many.

by Nbox9 6y ago

If you like Ruby on Rails so much, why don’t you find a job programming Ruby on Rails? There are so many.

He mentioned that he had a job doing that, but the company moved away from the framework without technical justification. He could find another, but there would be no guarantee that the same thing wouldn't happen again.

Nbox9 6y ago
> the company moved away from the framework without technical justification I think this alone is enough justification to look for a new place to work, but I’m just a job hopping millennial.
- vinceguidry 6y ago
  I did. Asked to be moved to a different client. Still there.

nthj 6y ago

My experience is that nobody actually does things The Rails Way, which is where most of the benefits come in. No, they’ll start out in Rails such that their underlying data model evolves into a huge mess (because Rails guards against most problems in the code layer, so the data model problems don’t really appear as bugs yet), and then some resume-driven developer will push for serverless or microservices to solve scalability problems (when the actual bottleneck is the database and the data model, not Rails), and now you’re left managing this Frankensteinish “rails” SPA beast that could be rewritten as a proper database schema and a 5K LOC Rails app, but there’s too much change control process to actually achieve that.

chrischattin 6y ago
Rails does so much of the plumbing work for you (and does it really well) that it’s a good smell test that if you’re not working on something that the user sees, you’re probably reinventing the wheel.
ratww 6y ago
The biggest waste of time I've ever seen in my career was when a team put all their backend efforts into migrating their app from The Rails Way to Services, then from Services to Trailblazer, then from Trailblazer to ActiveInteraction. All in the span of two years and without delivering a finished product. In the end the company just bought a competitor and gave up on the app. 100% agree that doing things The Rails Way is where you reap the benefits.

vinceguidry 6y ago

After it happened twice, I just gave in to the inevitable and decided to value jobs based on other factors.