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Richard and Maurice McDonald, Wilber Hardee, and Little Caesars are all counter examples.

by morcheeba 6y ago

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sukilot 6y ago
None of those use the food an adjective /adjacent nickname. They are all possessives.
dmurray 6y ago
Little Caesar's is named after a Mr. Little? That would be a perfect addition to this page
- ivv 6y ago
  Little Caesar was a co-founder’s nickname.
thaumasiotes 6y ago
They're examples of someone being nicknamed off of their last name instead of their first name? How so? Caesar isn't even a last name.
- asveikau 6y ago
  > They're examples of someone being nicknamed off of their last name instead of their first name? McDonald's, Hardee's. > Caesar isn't even a last name. Worked out fine for Julius.
  - thaumasiotes 6y ago
    You're going to have to elaborate. What nickname do you see in "McDonald's" or "Hardee's"? What do you mean by "worked out fine for Julius"? You are aware that Julius Caesar's surname was "Julius", right?
    - asveikau 6y ago
      OK, well, I am taking cognomen as surname, as is common when referring to him today, by nomen + cognomen. Never met the man or had the joy of calling him Gaius. There are modern people today with a surname of Caesar. Somehow, the name of the late celebrity Sid Caesar pops up for me. Wikipedia has more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(surname) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(surname) -- and I know of other languages where their cognate for Caesar is also a surname. But yes, it is common to address people by their last name as a nickname. I seem to recall it was especially common back in school, something guys did kind of informally. Plenty of reasons explained here: https://www.google.com/search?q=call+someone+by+last+name https://www.google.com/search?q=call+someone+by+last+name I also recall nickname variations of various surnames. Somebody called Fitzgerald might be called Fitz. Somebody called Smith might be called Smitty. Those are two I recall from school days. And yes clearly, McDonald's and Hardee's are named for surnames.
      - thaumasiotes 6y ago
        > I am taking cognomen as surname, as is common when referring to him today, by nomen + cognomen. Huh? "Caesar" is how he's generally referred to, almost certainly because the form of address to every Roman emperor was "Caesar", after him. But there's no indication that it is taken to be his surname. That would be ridiculous. There is no pattern for the common English name of a Roman figure: - Virgil: nomen - Ovid: nomen - Martial: cognomen - Catullus: cognomen (of possible note: Martial and Catullus have the same nomen) - Cicero: cognomen, but sometimes referred to by nomen as "Tully" - Antony: nomen - Brutus: cognomen - Pliny the Elder: nomen - Catiline: cognomen It's purely convention whether they're known by surname or personal name. Similarly, what are the surnames of, as they are known in English, Mao Tse-tung, Chiang Kai-shek, or Sun Yat-sen?
        asveikau 6y ago
        You seem to have ignored most of my comment for this discussion.
        6y ago

Richard and Maurice McDonald, Wilber Hardee, and Little Caesars are all counter examples.

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sukilot 6y ago

None of those use the food an adjective /adjacent nickname. They are all possessives.

dmurray 6y ago

Little Caesar's is named after a Mr. Little? That would be a perfect addition to this page

ivv 6y ago
Little Caesar was a co-founder’s nickname.

thaumasiotes 6y ago

They're examples of someone being nicknamed off of their last name instead of their first name? How so? Caesar isn't even a last name.

asveikau 6y ago
> They're examples of someone being nicknamed off of their last name instead of their first name? McDonald's, Hardee's. > Caesar isn't even a last name. Worked out fine for Julius.
- thaumasiotes 6y ago
  You're going to have to elaborate. What nickname do you see in "McDonald's" or "Hardee's"? What do you mean by "worked out fine for Julius"? You are aware that Julius Caesar's surname was "Julius", right?
  - asveikau 6y ago
    OK, well, I am taking cognomen as surname, as is common when referring to him today, by nomen + cognomen. Never met the man or had the joy of calling him Gaius. There are modern people today with a surname of Caesar. Somehow, the name of the late celebrity Sid Caesar pops up for me. Wikipedia has more: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(surname) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_(surname) -- and I know of other languages where their cognate for Caesar is also a surname. But yes, it is common to address people by their last name as a nickname. I seem to recall it was especially common back in school, something guys did kind of informally. Plenty of reasons explained here: https://www.google.com/search?q=call+someone+by+last+name https://www.google.com/search?q=call+someone+by+last+name I also recall nickname variations of various surnames. Somebody called Fitzgerald might be called Fitz. Somebody called Smith might be called Smitty. Those are two I recall from school days. And yes clearly, McDonald's and Hardee's are named for surnames.
    - thaumasiotes 6y ago
      > I am taking cognomen as surname, as is common when referring to him today, by nomen + cognomen. Huh? "Caesar" is how he's generally referred to, almost certainly because the form of address to every Roman emperor was "Caesar", after him. But there's no indication that it is taken to be his surname. That would be ridiculous. There is no pattern for the common English name of a Roman figure: - Virgil: nomen - Ovid: nomen - Martial: cognomen - Catullus: cognomen (of possible note: Martial and Catullus have the same nomen) - Cicero: cognomen, but sometimes referred to by nomen as "Tully" - Antony: nomen - Brutus: cognomen - Pliny the Elder: nomen - Catiline: cognomen It's purely convention whether they're known by surname or personal name. Similarly, what are the surnames of, as they are known in English, Mao Tse-tung, Chiang Kai-shek, or Sun Yat-sen?
      - asveikau 6y ago
        You seem to have ignored most of my comment for this discussion.
        6y ago