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They're not saying they have nothing to hide, they're saying they're not joting down quick notes of anything they have to hide.

Lammy 6y ago
I would agree that self-censorship is one of the most insidious effects of surveillance if that's what you mean :)
- GekkePrutser 6y ago
  I have to agree... I'm very conscious of this now when I'm talking on the phone. Not that I really have anything to hide, but I'm always wondering how something would be perceived by someone who is listening in. It's not a nice feeling at all. This is one of the reasons I hate mass-surveillance so much. Just that feeling that everything I do or say is on the record.
  - lioeters 6y ago
    Sadly, I find myself thinking similar paranoiac thoughts simply talking in person at home. We have a number of devices with microphones, and when friends visit, they bring their own devices with who knows what kind of untrustworthy apps (looking at you, Facebook!). Sure, we're normal citizens with "nothing to hide" - but I've become wary of any possible channel of data collection, regardless of whether the end consumers are private parties or state agencies. It's dystopian, that I'm having to consciously censor my speech in case anyone is listening. Same with HN - I doubt my comments are of any value to outsiders, but it's possible that someone will associate my real-life identity with this online account, and dig through (i.e., put the data through some extractive process) to assign various values, for unknown consumers - probably advertisers, but maybe even some "good citizen index". Thankfully I live in the EU (oops, another data point leaked), where there's at least some level of privacy protected by law.
- lazyjones 6y ago
  Carelessly making personal stuff available to interested parties was never a good idea in human history. You don't know who will see it in 10, 20, 50 years from now and what repercussions it might bring. So, hide your stuff by default and not based on your trust in the current administration or lack thereof.
- criddell 6y ago
  It's not self-censorship, it's just choosing the appropriate level of security for the note. Sometimes I send a postcard where anybody that handles the card can read the message. If I want a little more privacy, I'll send the note in an envelope.

Lammy 6y ago

I would agree that self-censorship is one of the most insidious effects of surveillance if that's what you mean :)

GekkePrutser 6y ago
I have to agree... I'm very conscious of this now when I'm talking on the phone. Not that I really have anything to hide, but I'm always wondering how something would be perceived by someone who is listening in. It's not a nice feeling at all. This is one of the reasons I hate mass-surveillance so much. Just that feeling that everything I do or say is on the record.
- lioeters 6y ago
  Sadly, I find myself thinking similar paranoiac thoughts simply talking in person at home. We have a number of devices with microphones, and when friends visit, they bring their own devices with who knows what kind of untrustworthy apps (looking at you, Facebook!). Sure, we're normal citizens with "nothing to hide" - but I've become wary of any possible channel of data collection, regardless of whether the end consumers are private parties or state agencies. It's dystopian, that I'm having to consciously censor my speech in case anyone is listening. Same with HN - I doubt my comments are of any value to outsiders, but it's possible that someone will associate my real-life identity with this online account, and dig through (i.e., put the data through some extractive process) to assign various values, for unknown consumers - probably advertisers, but maybe even some "good citizen index". Thankfully I live in the EU (oops, another data point leaked), where there's at least some level of privacy protected by law.
lazyjones 6y ago
Carelessly making personal stuff available to interested parties was never a good idea in human history. You don't know who will see it in 10, 20, 50 years from now and what repercussions it might bring. So, hide your stuff by default and not based on your trust in the current administration or lack thereof.
criddell 6y ago
It's not self-censorship, it's just choosing the appropriate level of security for the note. Sometimes I send a postcard where anybody that handles the card can read the message. If I want a little more privacy, I'll send the note in an envelope.