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Till 1990 all citizens of Soviet Union called as "soviet people", but every citizen has stamped his nation (according parents nation or each soviet republic, wh

Till 1990 all citizens of Soviet Union called as "soviet people", but every citizen has stamped his nation (according parents nation or each soviet republic, where they born) in their personal passports. So, your story with Dutch/Holland not related in any way to Soviet Union story. P.P.S. Ivan Maximovich Piddubny[0] (mispelled as Poddubny[1]), the Champion of Champions, born in Krasenivka village (Cherkasy oblast, Ukraine), also identified himself as Ukrainian and never as Russian in his Soviet Union passport.[2,3] [0] https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B4%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%86%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD_%D0%9C%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87#%D0%A2%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D1%82%D1%96%D0%BB%D0%B0_%D1%96_%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%85%D1%83 https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%B4%D1%83... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Poddubny https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Poddubny [2] http://www.ukrweekly.com/old/archive/2000/210017.shtml http://www.ukrweekly.com/old/archive/2000/210017.shtml [3] https://culture.voicecrimea.com.ua/en/ivan-piddubny-how-the-memory-of-the-russian-hero-tortured-for-ukrainian-nationalism-is-honored-in-crimea/ https://culture.voicecrimea.com.ua/en/ivan-piddubny-how-the-...

gleb 6y ago
That’s misleading. Soviet passport “nationality” is called ethnicity in English. Using ethnicity as the primary classifier for people is no longer polite in the west (or Ukraine), except in the context of affirmative action. Therefore it’s safe to say word Russian in the title means pars pro toto Soviet nationality, not Russian ethnicity. BTW, including ethnicity on official documents is now considered a violation of human rights in the West and (I believe) in Ukraine. Interestingly, it was originally added to the passport by Stalin to enable affirmative action. And only later used for ethnic cleansing and discrimination. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.2864&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549...
- app4soft 6y ago
  > Therefore it’s safe to say word Russian in the title means Soviet nationality, not Russian ethnicity. That is misinterpretation and not safe anywhere outside Russia. This was part of Soviet propaganda to denationalize citizens in Soviet Union republics by claiming them all "Russian" or "soviet people". Actual Russian Federation politics use same but instead of claiming "Russian", Russian propaganda nowadays use term "Russian-speaking" citizens around the world as part of Russian Federation population.

gleb 6y ago

That’s misleading. Soviet passport “nationality” is called ethnicity in English. Using ethnicity as the primary classifier for people is no longer polite in the west (or Ukraine), except in the context of affirmative action. Therefore it’s safe to say word Russian in the title means pars pro toto Soviet nationality, not Russian ethnicity. BTW, including ethnicity on official documents is now considered a violation of human rights in the West and (I believe) in Ukraine. Interestingly, it was originally added to the passport by Stalin to enable affirmative action. And only later used for ethnic cleansing and discrimination. http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549.2864&rep=rep1&type=pdf http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.549...

app4soft 6y ago
> Therefore it’s safe to say word Russian in the title means Soviet nationality, not Russian ethnicity. That is misinterpretation and not safe anywhere outside Russia. This was part of Soviet propaganda to denationalize citizens in Soviet Union republics by claiming them all "Russian" or "soviet people". Actual Russian Federation politics use same but instead of claiming "Russian", Russian propaganda nowadays use term "Russian-speaking" citizens around the world as part of Russian Federation population.