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Dan Hannan and a bunch of the other dishonest brexiteers deliberately misled people into thinking they could be.

by d4rti 6y ago

corty 6y ago
It is a politician's modus operandi/job to mislead in order to achieve political goals. It would have been the job of the press to point out the problems and the job of the public to form a qualified opinion. Only the politicians did their jobs, unfortunately... (And yes, I'm a cynic)
- pjc50 6y ago
  The press were largely campaigning for Brexit. Including one of the highest paid journalists in the entire campaign, Boris Johnson.
  - corty 6y ago
    The press pushing an agenda for either side and not remaining an impartial observer is a huge part of the problem, not only with Brexit. I'm not sure if in former times the press was just as opinionated and noone noticed. But now, people notice that the press isn't impartial and therefore just do not trust even the rare instances of impartial facts being presented.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      British press has never really pretended to be impartial; the Daily Mail under Lord Rothermere ran pro-Hitler editorial until the war broke out. (My point about Johnson was that he was genuinely paid more for a while as a Times "columnist" than as Prime Minister)
      - rjsw 6y ago
        He was most recently a Telegraph columnist, he was sacked from the Times.
      - donarb 6y ago
        That's nothing. In 1939, The New York Times did an article about Hitler and his mountain retreat at Berchtesgaden, about how he goes there to unwind and be amongst nature. https://www.nytimes.com/1939/08/20/archives/herr-hitler-at-home-in-the-clouds-high-up-on-his-favorite-mountain.html https://www.nytimes.com/1939/08/20/archives/herr-hitler-at-h...
    - dragonwriter 6y ago
      > I'm not sure if in former times the press was just as opinionated and noone noticed. Everyone noticed. It's one of the most frequently discussed things about the British (though not uniquely theirs) press for centuries, both in terms of explicit comment and implicit cultural reference (e.g., such as it being a recurring background element of fiction.)
- dmos62 6y ago
  That's the definition of lying, not politics.
scott_w 6y ago
I think Daniel Hannan was honest in his beliefs. He's posted a few times on Twitter about disagreeing with a lot of the rhetoric. His problem is that he's hopelessly naive and I don't think he realises that he's being used as the "nice guy" of Brexit.

Dan Hannan and a bunch of the other dishonest brexiteers deliberately misled people into thinking they could be.

by d4rti 6y ago

Dan Hannan and a bunch of the other dishonest brexiteers deliberately misled people into thinking they could be.

It is a politician's modus operandi/job to mislead in order to achieve political goals. It would have been the job of the press to point out the problems and the job of the public to form a qualified opinion. Only the politicians did their jobs, unfortunately... (And yes, I'm a cynic)

pjc50 6y ago
The press were largely campaigning for Brexit. Including one of the highest paid journalists in the entire campaign, Boris Johnson.
- corty 6y ago
  The press pushing an agenda for either side and not remaining an impartial observer is a huge part of the problem, not only with Brexit. I'm not sure if in former times the press was just as opinionated and noone noticed. But now, people notice that the press isn't impartial and therefore just do not trust even the rare instances of impartial facts being presented.
  - pjc50 6y ago
    British press has never really pretended to be impartial; the Daily Mail under Lord Rothermere ran pro-Hitler editorial until the war broke out. (My point about Johnson was that he was genuinely paid more for a while as a Times "columnist" than as Prime Minister)
    - rjsw 6y ago
      He was most recently a Telegraph columnist, he was sacked from the Times.
    - donarb 6y ago
      That's nothing. In 1939, The New York Times did an article about Hitler and his mountain retreat at Berchtesgaden, about how he goes there to unwind and be amongst nature. https://www.nytimes.com/1939/08/20/archives/herr-hitler-at-home-in-the-clouds-high-up-on-his-favorite-mountain.html https://www.nytimes.com/1939/08/20/archives/herr-hitler-at-h...
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > I'm not sure if in former times the press was just as opinionated and noone noticed. Everyone noticed. It's one of the most frequently discussed things about the British (though not uniquely theirs) press for centuries, both in terms of explicit comment and implicit cultural reference (e.g., such as it being a recurring background element of fiction.)
dmos62 6y ago
That's the definition of lying, not politics.

scott_w 6y ago

I think Daniel Hannan was honest in his beliefs. He's posted a few times on Twitter about disagreeing with a lot of the rhetoric. His problem is that he's hopelessly naive and I don't think he realises that he's being used as the "nice guy" of Brexit.