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> The most infuriating part is how little help there is from medical professionals (...) the only medical advice doctors will give her is to rest I don't think

> The most infuriating part is how little help there is from medical professionals (...) the only medical advice doctors will give her is to rest I don't think it's bad will, they simply have no idea what to do. Just see what the research looks like: "they" are still busy categorising symptoms. Understanding of this disease is still in early stages. It will improve. Mind boggling how just a few months ago all my friends were throwing the 0.x% CFR numbers for our age group, implying that there is nothing to be afraid of. There's much so more complexity and many unknown unknowns in health!

StevenWaterman 6y ago
Yeah absolutely, they're doing their best with the information available to them. That's why I'm hopeful that all the recent news around persistent symptoms will improve awareness and make more resources available. It's a nightmare situation all-round and I have full sympathy for the situation doctors are in.
- kijin 6y ago
  Another problem is that most of the world is still too busy trying (and failing) to control the spread of infection. They don't have much attention to spare for people who aren't deemed infectious anymore.
  - annamargot 6y ago
    On top of that, downplaying the severity of covid is critical to the arguments of those who want this to be over for political, economic, or any reasons. The focus by many has been deaths. Mortality rate can be spun to make covid seem not so bad. If we start talking about the percentage of people whose lives are significantly affected, we create a much bigger percentage. If you’re trying to paint the opposite picture, it’s not in your interest to acknowledge or increase awareness of that percentage.
    - ThomPete 6y ago
      well tell that to the cancer, diabetes and high blood pressure ,depression victims who don't get diagnosed in time or havent gotten the proper treatment. Tell that to the people who's lifework have been destroyed and I could go on with people being significantly affected. Its not that simple.
      - wbronitsky 6y ago
        The suggestion that everyone who is pro- aggressive disease containment has not had their life turned upside down by the global pandemic is lacks logic. Shutdowns are necessary to contain the virus, and the economic damage done from not containing the virus is far worse than the alternative. We know this because we have data. There are multiple countries that were hit very hard in the first wave, and then managed to contain the virus and accelerate their economies after; France, Spain and Italy are all great examples. IIUC, France now has 3.6% unemployment. They had strict lockdowns, followed by mask wearing, social distancing, and contact tracing. The same tactics are working for NYC in the US. We do ourselves a great disservice to act as if virus containment is bad because it destroys economies. No, the virus destroys economies, and containment allows us to continue once mitigated. That’s what the data clearly shows.
        matz1 6y ago
        Shutdown is not a good strategy: https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppression-strategy-is-not-viable/ https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppressio...
        wbronitsky 6y ago
        It is interesting that these doctors in the UK are claiming that tactics that have already worked elsewhere don’t actually work, while their country continues to suffer a massive outbreak of the virus. On the other hand, here is a study showing two countries that have made great strides in containing the virus, after massive waves and deaths, and did so with a harsh lockdown https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969720320520 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004896972...
matz1 6y ago
Every diseases could cause inexplainable long term damage as well. Yes there is so much complexity and many unknowns in health, that doesn't mean we should be afraid of it. Good news is for majority of the case they have full recovery.
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- Volundr 6y ago
  Do you have a source for how many have a "full" recovery vs how many have medium to long term complications? To my knowledge this isn't something being tracked.

StevenWaterman 6y ago

Yeah absolutely, they're doing their best with the information available to them. That's why I'm hopeful that all the recent news around persistent symptoms will improve awareness and make more resources available. It's a nightmare situation all-round and I have full sympathy for the situation doctors are in.

kijin 6y ago
Another problem is that most of the world is still too busy trying (and failing) to control the spread of infection. They don't have much attention to spare for people who aren't deemed infectious anymore.
- annamargot 6y ago
  On top of that, downplaying the severity of covid is critical to the arguments of those who want this to be over for political, economic, or any reasons. The focus by many has been deaths. Mortality rate can be spun to make covid seem not so bad. If we start talking about the percentage of people whose lives are significantly affected, we create a much bigger percentage. If you’re trying to paint the opposite picture, it’s not in your interest to acknowledge or increase awareness of that percentage.
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    well tell that to the cancer, diabetes and high blood pressure ,depression victims who don't get diagnosed in time or havent gotten the proper treatment. Tell that to the people who's lifework have been destroyed and I could go on with people being significantly affected. Its not that simple.
    - wbronitsky 6y ago
      The suggestion that everyone who is pro- aggressive disease containment has not had their life turned upside down by the global pandemic is lacks logic. Shutdowns are necessary to contain the virus, and the economic damage done from not containing the virus is far worse than the alternative. We know this because we have data. There are multiple countries that were hit very hard in the first wave, and then managed to contain the virus and accelerate their economies after; France, Spain and Italy are all great examples. IIUC, France now has 3.6% unemployment. They had strict lockdowns, followed by mask wearing, social distancing, and contact tracing. The same tactics are working for NYC in the US. We do ourselves a great disservice to act as if virus containment is bad because it destroys economies. No, the virus destroys economies, and containment allows us to continue once mitigated. That’s what the data clearly shows.
      - matz1 6y ago
        Shutdown is not a good strategy: https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppression-strategy-is-not-viable/ https://unherd.com/thepost/oxford-epidemiologists-suppressio...
        wbronitsky 6y ago
        It is interesting that these doctors in the UK are claiming that tactics that have already worked elsewhere don’t actually work, while their country continues to suffer a massive outbreak of the virus. On the other hand, here is a study showing two countries that have made great strides in containing the virus, after massive waves and deaths, and did so with a harsh lockdown https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969720320520 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S004896972...

matz1 6y ago

Every diseases could cause inexplainable long term damage as well. Yes there is so much complexity and many unknowns in health, that doesn't mean we should be afraid of it. Good news is for majority of the case they have full recovery.

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Volundr 6y ago
Do you have a source for how many have a "full" recovery vs how many have medium to long term complications? To my knowledge this isn't something being tracked.