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>Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Is this how you respond civilly, by saying you have no obligation and rude

>Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Is this how you respond civilly, by saying you have no obligation and rudely making a hyperbole?

fit2rule 6y ago
What hyperbole? Are you really unaware that Americans murdered 5% of Iraqs population? Are you really so ignorant of the fact that the US drops bombs on innocent people at the rate of 1 every twenty minutes for the last 20 years? Come on, you can't be so ignorant of the fact that in the last few years the US literally turned multiple cities with populations greater than 2 million civilians into burning piles of rubble? That it dropped more bombs on Afghanistan LAST YEAR than ever before. Seriously, there is nothing rude about pointing out America's evils, nor the ignorance of its citizens. Did you think we were all Americans here? Some of us are not that ignorant.
watwut 6y ago
Calling war endless is accurate, given it does not end. Plus, there was always armed conflict for over last 30 years. Calling war evil is not uncivil. That is how wars are perceived by people who live through them - there are massive non combatants populations suffering a lot. Movies don't show that part or only as aside, that they make you feel it is all cool and heroic. But reality and memories of civilians who went through wars are in the realms of "that was evil".
- fit2rule 6y ago
  Yes, exactly. And this is, incidentally, why Americans are so afraid of looking at the statistics of their wars. Because the very real evil of America's wars is obvious, in plain view, for all to see. “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
- Waterfall 6y ago
  30 years? Wass humanity singing kumbaya before? Try over all of human civilization, like you said endlessly. Calling war endless isn't uncivil but being insulting and rude is, and if you don't understand the difference I have no obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil flame wars.
  - watwut 6y ago
    I am talking about amount of time America is in war state. Calling it endless is appropriate. There are plenty of politicians and journalists who never encountered war they would not like. I am not talking about war anywhere in the world by anyone. War itself is uncivil. The way it was talked about here was no more uncivil then javascript frameworks are talked about. It is absurd to demand that war is talked about with reverence and euphemisms. People can talk about it the way they talk about vim or emacs or cultural issues. Frankly, the emotional reaction against the idea that war could be evil and not cool is likely one of reasons why military propaganda in games or sports bothers people. It is not just pushing people toward profession that is really necessary, it is pushing people to think war is cool and heroic. To like that and to ignore destruction it brinks.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      I think the motivation for calling this thread 'rude and uncivil' was the fact that it required anyone who just blindly supports American military misadventures to re-evaluate their position. Americans are scared of the truth and don't like being embarrassed - but the evil of their military crimes is not something that can be ignored, and there is absolutely nothing honourable about them. So yes, be rude to the American war mongers you encounter, who forward the propaganda that theirs is an infallible military and a just state of affairs, because this is far, far from the truth. Such cowardice must be shunned, because - as we have seen recently, the USA is a psychopathic state hell bent on tearing itself apart before it commits further crimes against humanity around the world.
      - burfog 6y ago
        Is there "anyone who just blindly supports American military misadventures"? Is there anybody "scared of the truth"? It could be that other people hold different values than you do. They might be fully aware and thinking, and still prefer military action that you detest. Blind opposition can also exist. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your position.

>Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Is this how you respond civilly, by saying you have no obligation and rudely making a hyperbole?

fit2rule 6y ago

What hyperbole? Are you really unaware that Americans murdered 5% of Iraqs population? Are you really so ignorant of the fact that the US drops bombs on innocent people at the rate of 1 every twenty minutes for the last 20 years? Come on, you can't be so ignorant of the fact that in the last few years the US literally turned multiple cities with populations greater than 2 million civilians into burning piles of rubble? That it dropped more bombs on Afghanistan LAST YEAR than ever before. Seriously, there is nothing rude about pointing out America's evils, nor the ignorance of its citizens. Did you think we were all Americans here? Some of us are not that ignorant.

watwut 6y ago

Calling war endless is accurate, given it does not end. Plus, there was always armed conflict for over last 30 years. Calling war evil is not uncivil. That is how wars are perceived by people who live through them - there are massive non combatants populations suffering a lot. Movies don't show that part or only as aside, that they make you feel it is all cool and heroic. But reality and memories of civilians who went through wars are in the realms of "that was evil".

fit2rule 6y ago
Yes, exactly. And this is, incidentally, why Americans are so afraid of looking at the statistics of their wars. Because the very real evil of America's wars is obvious, in plain view, for all to see. “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
Waterfall 6y ago
30 years? Wass humanity singing kumbaya before? Try over all of human civilization, like you said endlessly. Calling war endless isn't uncivil but being insulting and rude is, and if you don't understand the difference I have no obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil flame wars.
- watwut 6y ago
  I am talking about amount of time America is in war state. Calling it endless is appropriate. There are plenty of politicians and journalists who never encountered war they would not like. I am not talking about war anywhere in the world by anyone. War itself is uncivil. The way it was talked about here was no more uncivil then javascript frameworks are talked about. It is absurd to demand that war is talked about with reverence and euphemisms. People can talk about it the way they talk about vim or emacs or cultural issues. Frankly, the emotional reaction against the idea that war could be evil and not cool is likely one of reasons why military propaganda in games or sports bothers people. It is not just pushing people toward profession that is really necessary, it is pushing people to think war is cool and heroic. To like that and to ignore destruction it brinks.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    I think the motivation for calling this thread 'rude and uncivil' was the fact that it required anyone who just blindly supports American military misadventures to re-evaluate their position. Americans are scared of the truth and don't like being embarrassed - but the evil of their military crimes is not something that can be ignored, and there is absolutely nothing honourable about them. So yes, be rude to the American war mongers you encounter, who forward the propaganda that theirs is an infallible military and a just state of affairs, because this is far, far from the truth. Such cowardice must be shunned, because - as we have seen recently, the USA is a psychopathic state hell bent on tearing itself apart before it commits further crimes against humanity around the world.
    - burfog 6y ago
      Is there "anyone who just blindly supports American military misadventures"? Is there anybody "scared of the truth"? It could be that other people hold different values than you do. They might be fully aware and thinking, and still prefer military action that you detest. Blind opposition can also exist. Maybe you need to re-evaluate your position.