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Do you have a meaningful reply to my question or do you just have a rant that has nothing to do with what I just asked?

fit2rule 6y ago
Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Your position is, in my opinion, just plain evil. How about you think about what the US military is doing to the world, educate yourself about the real cost to humanity, and then we can discuss it. Because all you are doing is parroting the death cult mantra that your military is the best because you need it and it has to be used 'or else'. Clearly, you have not understood something: Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's illegal war. Yemen is currently being GENOCIDED with US military support. The world is literally littered with evidence of America's heinous crimes against humanity, and many, many war crimes. Not to mention a terrorism regime like no other. What you think is an honourable and necessary effort, is truly just dire evil. If any other country in the world was doing what America thinks it has a God-given right to do, they'd have been glass parking lot'ed into oblivion already. But, because America has a very large threat to use in bullying other nations around (its nuclear arsenal, its ridiculous navies), nobody can stand up to that evil. Just like a psychopathic organism engaged in endless evil acts, America will have to self-destruct instead, and indeed - that is what is happening today.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  Civility? To your post I can reply that ducks have very long corkscrew penises, which has nothing to do with your post and is what you're also doing when you reply. Discussions happen when people are speaking to each other not one ranting at a question.
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    Civility? How about you take an honest look at the evil that the US military and its death cult has brought to the world, and then we can be civil. There is nothing civil about justifying the utter evil that the American military complex is enacting on the world. Your attempt to avoid confronting that issue is very telling. It is scary, especially if you are a citizen whose military is responsible for these crimes against humanity. It will come back to you, citizen, eventually.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      I simply asked 2 questions: How do you think the US was founded? Where would the US be without it's military? You are avoiding it, not me.
      - fit2rule 6y ago
        Your non-sequitur America-first questions are really irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not we should be content with the US' death cult recruiting children for its illegal wars. Where do I think the world would be without the US military today? There'd be millions of innocent people - mothers, fathers, children - still alive, building their own nations into a better place to live. Mosul wouldn't be a burning pile of rubble, Raqqa too. There wouldn't be millions of innocent victims buried under the rubble that American citizens put them under. Maybe those of us in the West who enjoy these things could even have a vacation in the cradle of civilisation in Iraq and Syria, and actually enjoy the cultures of these peoples instead of reviling them. If it didn't spend a trillion dollars a year on death and destruction of cultures it fears, America would easily have what it needed to offer its citizens world-class education and health care at similar standards to the rest of the western world. Clean water for its children. Perhaps, if Americans hadn't all signed up to their death cult, they'd have the funds for a better response to the pandemic, and maybe .. here is a cool thought .. average American citizens would have the skills to learn the languages and read the books of the cultures they fear so much today, instead of signing up to callously and evilly drop bombs on 'evil' (innocent) people whose language they can't even speak.
        Waterfall 6y ago
        I don't know what your problem is, but when you spend all your time ignoring questions, insulting others, and expecting them to read your angry wall of text, you're wrong.
        fit2rule 6y ago
        My problem is, folks such as yourself continue to discount the evil cost to humanity of ignorance of Americas recent multiple, heinous crimes against humanity, and folks such as yourself justify these evil acts endlessly, such that they continue unhindered by civilian oversight, in order to avoid the cold hard truth: the American people have the blood of millions of innocent people on their hands, today. Just as the German people did in 1945. My problem with you specifically, is that you are doing this: “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
  - watwut 6y ago
    His comment was not uncivil. He added the other side to "cool military kill or be killed" framing.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      >Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Is this how you respond civilly, by saying you have no obligation and rudely making a hyperbole?
      - fit2rule 6y ago
        What hyperbole? Are you really unaware that Americans murdered 5% of Iraqs population? Are you really so ignorant of the fact that the US drops bombs on innocent people at the rate of 1 every twenty minutes for the last 20 years? Come on, you can't be so ignorant of the fact that in the last few years the US literally turned multiple cities with populations greater than 2 million civilians into burning piles of rubble? That it dropped more bombs on Afghanistan LAST YEAR than ever before. Seriously, there is nothing rude about pointing out America's evils, nor the ignorance of its citizens. Did you think we were all Americans here? Some of us are not that ignorant.
      - watwut 6y ago
        Calling war endless is accurate, given it does not end. Plus, there was always armed conflict for over last 30 years. Calling war evil is not uncivil. That is how wars are perceived by people who live through them - there are massive non combatants populations suffering a lot. Movies don't show that part or only as aside, that they make you feel it is all cool and heroic. But reality and memories of civilians who went through wars are in the realms of "that was evil".
        fit2rule 6y ago
        Yes, exactly. And this is, incidentally, why Americans are so afraid of looking at the statistics of their wars. Because the very real evil of America's wars is obvious, in plain view, for all to see. “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
- creato 6y ago
  > Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's illegal war. You've posted this a lot in this thread. What are you talking about? Iraq's population has not declined in a single year since 1955: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-populati...
  - fit2rule 6y ago
    Yeah, I think you probably are not paying attention to the real figures: https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/body-count.pdf https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/body-count.pd...
    - creato 6y ago
      I skimmed your 100 page pdf (parts of it) and did not find anything remotely close to 5% of Iraq's population. That's 2 million people. The highest number I found in your document skimming it was 108k. I don't even think you can get to 2 million if you count up every death (and net emigration) that occurred for any reason in the country in the last 17 years (since the US was there). The Iraq war was/is undoubtedly a heinous failure in concept and execution. There is no need to throw out blatant falsehoods to muddy the picture.
      - fit2rule 6y ago
        You didn't read the document. Read the document, gain an understanding of the statistics and why - and how - they are key to America's propaganda war - and then we can continue. Read the report. It answers all your questions. And, it is very, very sad. Americans have no idea the extent of the evil damage they have done to the world. Multiple cities with civilian populations greater than two million have been reduced to smoking piles of rubble, because of American ignorance. If the American public had seen what had been done to Mosul in their name, when it happened - the White House would be a smoking crater today.

Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Your position is, in my opinion, just plain evil. How about you think about what the US military is doing to the world, educate yourself about the real cost to humanity, and then we can discuss it. Because all you are doing is parroting the death cult mantra that your military is the best because you need it and it has to be used 'or else'. Clearly, you have not understood something: Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's illegal war. Yemen is currently being GENOCIDED with US military support. The world is literally littered with evidence of America's heinous crimes against humanity, and many, many war crimes. Not to mention a terrorism regime like no other. What you think is an honourable and necessary effort, is truly just dire evil. If any other country in the world was doing what America thinks it has a God-given right to do, they'd have been glass parking lot'ed into oblivion already. But, because America has a very large threat to use in bullying other nations around (its nuclear arsenal, its ridiculous navies), nobody can stand up to that evil. Just like a psychopathic organism engaged in endless evil acts, America will have to self-destruct instead, and indeed - that is what is happening today.

Waterfall 6y ago
Civility? To your post I can reply that ducks have very long corkscrew penises, which has nothing to do with your post and is what you're also doing when you reply. Discussions happen when people are speaking to each other not one ranting at a question.
- fit2rule 6y ago
  Civility? How about you take an honest look at the evil that the US military and its death cult has brought to the world, and then we can be civil. There is nothing civil about justifying the utter evil that the American military complex is enacting on the world. Your attempt to avoid confronting that issue is very telling. It is scary, especially if you are a citizen whose military is responsible for these crimes against humanity. It will come back to you, citizen, eventually.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    I simply asked 2 questions: How do you think the US was founded? Where would the US be without it's military? You are avoiding it, not me.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      Your non-sequitur America-first questions are really irrelevant to the discussion of whether or not we should be content with the US' death cult recruiting children for its illegal wars. Where do I think the world would be without the US military today? There'd be millions of innocent people - mothers, fathers, children - still alive, building their own nations into a better place to live. Mosul wouldn't be a burning pile of rubble, Raqqa too. There wouldn't be millions of innocent victims buried under the rubble that American citizens put them under. Maybe those of us in the West who enjoy these things could even have a vacation in the cradle of civilisation in Iraq and Syria, and actually enjoy the cultures of these peoples instead of reviling them. If it didn't spend a trillion dollars a year on death and destruction of cultures it fears, America would easily have what it needed to offer its citizens world-class education and health care at similar standards to the rest of the western world. Clean water for its children. Perhaps, if Americans hadn't all signed up to their death cult, they'd have the funds for a better response to the pandemic, and maybe .. here is a cool thought .. average American citizens would have the skills to learn the languages and read the books of the cultures they fear so much today, instead of signing up to callously and evilly drop bombs on 'evil' (innocent) people whose language they can't even speak.
      - Waterfall 6y ago
        I don't know what your problem is, but when you spend all your time ignoring questions, insulting others, and expecting them to read your angry wall of text, you're wrong.
        fit2rule 6y ago
        My problem is, folks such as yourself continue to discount the evil cost to humanity of ignorance of Americas recent multiple, heinous crimes against humanity, and folks such as yourself justify these evil acts endlessly, such that they continue unhindered by civilian oversight, in order to avoid the cold hard truth: the American people have the blood of millions of innocent people on their hands, today. Just as the German people did in 1945. My problem with you specifically, is that you are doing this: “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
- watwut 6y ago
  His comment was not uncivil. He added the other side to "cool military kill or be killed" framing.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    >Why do I have an obligation to answer to your justifications for endless, evil war? Is this how you respond civilly, by saying you have no obligation and rudely making a hyperbole?
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      What hyperbole? Are you really unaware that Americans murdered 5% of Iraqs population? Are you really so ignorant of the fact that the US drops bombs on innocent people at the rate of 1 every twenty minutes for the last 20 years? Come on, you can't be so ignorant of the fact that in the last few years the US literally turned multiple cities with populations greater than 2 million civilians into burning piles of rubble? That it dropped more bombs on Afghanistan LAST YEAR than ever before. Seriously, there is nothing rude about pointing out America's evils, nor the ignorance of its citizens. Did you think we were all Americans here? Some of us are not that ignorant.
    - watwut 6y ago
      Calling war endless is accurate, given it does not end. Plus, there was always armed conflict for over last 30 years. Calling war evil is not uncivil. That is how wars are perceived by people who live through them - there are massive non combatants populations suffering a lot. Movies don't show that part or only as aside, that they make you feel it is all cool and heroic. But reality and memories of civilians who went through wars are in the realms of "that was evil".
      - fit2rule 6y ago
        Yes, exactly. And this is, incidentally, why Americans are so afraid of looking at the statistics of their wars. Because the very real evil of America's wars is obvious, in plain view, for all to see. “People tend to turn away from disasters such as a war gone bad very quickly. They turn away because it bothers them morally, but also because the carnage challenges their strongly held self-perception that their country is a force for good in the world,” said Tirman. “In the face of something horrible, people are much more likely to become indifferent than they are to protest. Oftentimes it’s even easier to just blame the victims for causing their own suffering.” https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-war-on-terror/ https://theintercept.com/2018/11/19/civilian-casualties-us-w...
creato 6y ago
> Iraq lost 5% of its population to America's illegal war. You've posted this a lot in this thread. What are you talking about? Iraq's population has not declined in a single year since 1955: https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-population/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/iraq-populati...
- fit2rule 6y ago
  Yeah, I think you probably are not paying attention to the real figures: https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/body-count.pdf https://www.psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/body-count.pd...
  - creato 6y ago
    I skimmed your 100 page pdf (parts of it) and did not find anything remotely close to 5% of Iraq's population. That's 2 million people. The highest number I found in your document skimming it was 108k. I don't even think you can get to 2 million if you count up every death (and net emigration) that occurred for any reason in the country in the last 17 years (since the US was there). The Iraq war was/is undoubtedly a heinous failure in concept and execution. There is no need to throw out blatant falsehoods to muddy the picture.
    - fit2rule 6y ago
      You didn't read the document. Read the document, gain an understanding of the statistics and why - and how - they are key to America's propaganda war - and then we can continue. Read the report. It answers all your questions. And, it is very, very sad. Americans have no idea the extent of the evil damage they have done to the world. Multiple cities with civilian populations greater than two million have been reduced to smoking piles of rubble, because of American ignorance. If the American public had seen what had been done to Mosul in their name, when it happened - the White House would be a smoking crater today.