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It makes me sad that we've sacrificed many genuinely human moments like this to modernity.

ArkVark 6y ago
It has been sacrificed due to an ideology which is inherently non-modern, to be fair (and if that ideology was better contained or eliminated we would be better off).
- pbourke 6y ago
  Care to unpack this? The two ideologies that come to mind when I think of air travel are process improvement and safety theatre.
  - mangamadaiyan 6y ago
    I think the GP is referring to a specific ideology which (like all others of its ilk) involves supernatural entities. Personally, I think the situation merits a bit more nuance than pinning the blame on just one ideology -- but this is a discussion I would not want to start, so I'll just leave it at that. (Edited for clarity and typos.).
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    The cockpit door is shut and locked not due to safety theatre but actual safety. The ideology he’s talking about is Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, though to be honest, that tends to happen. Exploitable opportunities eventually get shaved away just due to the volume of attacks. Once upon a time computers were simple, then we needed anti-worm stuff. Such is life.
Waterfall 6y ago
What do you mean? I remember the pre 9/11 days, and they were fun. I was a kid that would sit with the pilots on the jumbo jets and take pictures with them and the flight attendants, who would give me extra tomato juice. Didn't happen after 9/11 though.
- WildGreenLeave 6y ago
  When I was young (before 9/11, I was 12 or so) the pilot crew of my EasyJet flight from Amsterdam to Geneva invited me to the cockpit to see. I was flying with my grandma and it was my first flight ever. I love flying and the machines, being in the cockpit as a 12 year old boy was so staggering and inmense. Then I didn't fly for years, and about a year ago (while being 24) I started traveling more. Suddenly while being delayed at Amsterdam airport the cockpit crew of my EasyJet flight to Split invited people to the cockpit if they wanted to see. I waited 2 minutes to see if any children would come up and then decided to relive my childhood memory and go to the cockpit. Another time while on a KLM flight to Bangkok I gave the cabin crew a bag of chocolates as a thank you gift for the good service. I did the same thing when flying back from Bangkok to Amsterdam as a thank you to get me home during the pandemic (this was end of march). Both of the times they personally thanked me, the first time I even got one of the little houses they give away to business class passengers [0]. My point is, those human moments do exist. It is just that most people don't 'want' them anymore because that means that it should come from themselves. (No one was standing up to go to the cockpit, nor was anyone else giving candy to the cabin crew). I am sure something changed after 9/11, things like being in the cockpit while flying isn't an option anymore. But with what is going on these days, I can't complain about that. I have to admit, maybe I am a bit biased. If it weren't for my small stutter in intense situations I would've probably been a pilot. :-) [0] https://blog.klm.com/klm-delfts-blue-minitiature-houses-everything-you-need-to-know/ https://blog.klm.com/klm-delfts-blue-minitiature-houses-ever...
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    That was a beautiful image you painted. Thank you. I must seek them more earnestly now, being in the cockpit during the flight was so cool but I would still like to see it even not in flight. Unrelated but when I started drinking kombucha my stutter went away. Try probiotics!
    - WildGreenLeave 6y ago
      I assume most pilots will let you into the cockpit if you are delayed and while being on the ground. But I have to admit that the last time it happened was a complete surprise for me. I didn't know they were allowed to do that. But maybe they aren't or it is up to their own discretion? I guess, if you really want it you could ask the cabin crew if it is possible to check it out. I don't think a pilot would have anything against it personally because they are proud of their jobs too. Haven't tried Kombucha and didn't know about it. I will look for it and try it out. Thanks! :)

It has been sacrificed due to an ideology which is inherently non-modern, to be fair (and if that ideology was better contained or eliminated we would be better off).

pbourke 6y ago
Care to unpack this? The two ideologies that come to mind when I think of air travel are process improvement and safety theatre.
- mangamadaiyan 6y ago
  I think the GP is referring to a specific ideology which (like all others of its ilk) involves supernatural entities. Personally, I think the situation merits a bit more nuance than pinning the blame on just one ideology -- but this is a discussion I would not want to start, so I'll just leave it at that. (Edited for clarity and typos.).
- renewiltord 6y ago
  The cockpit door is shut and locked not due to safety theatre but actual safety. The ideology he’s talking about is Islamic fundamentalist terrorism, though to be honest, that tends to happen. Exploitable opportunities eventually get shaved away just due to the volume of attacks. Once upon a time computers were simple, then we needed anti-worm stuff. Such is life.

Waterfall 6y ago

What do you mean? I remember the pre 9/11 days, and they were fun. I was a kid that would sit with the pilots on the jumbo jets and take pictures with them and the flight attendants, who would give me extra tomato juice. Didn't happen after 9/11 though.

WildGreenLeave 6y ago
When I was young (before 9/11, I was 12 or so) the pilot crew of my EasyJet flight from Amsterdam to Geneva invited me to the cockpit to see. I was flying with my grandma and it was my first flight ever. I love flying and the machines, being in the cockpit as a 12 year old boy was so staggering and inmense. Then I didn't fly for years, and about a year ago (while being 24) I started traveling more. Suddenly while being delayed at Amsterdam airport the cockpit crew of my EasyJet flight to Split invited people to the cockpit if they wanted to see. I waited 2 minutes to see if any children would come up and then decided to relive my childhood memory and go to the cockpit. Another time while on a KLM flight to Bangkok I gave the cabin crew a bag of chocolates as a thank you gift for the good service. I did the same thing when flying back from Bangkok to Amsterdam as a thank you to get me home during the pandemic (this was end of march). Both of the times they personally thanked me, the first time I even got one of the little houses they give away to business class passengers [0]. My point is, those human moments do exist. It is just that most people don't 'want' them anymore because that means that it should come from themselves. (No one was standing up to go to the cockpit, nor was anyone else giving candy to the cabin crew). I am sure something changed after 9/11, things like being in the cockpit while flying isn't an option anymore. But with what is going on these days, I can't complain about that. I have to admit, maybe I am a bit biased. If it weren't for my small stutter in intense situations I would've probably been a pilot. :-) [0] https://blog.klm.com/klm-delfts-blue-minitiature-houses-everything-you-need-to-know/ https://blog.klm.com/klm-delfts-blue-minitiature-houses-ever...
- Waterfall 6y ago
  That was a beautiful image you painted. Thank you. I must seek them more earnestly now, being in the cockpit during the flight was so cool but I would still like to see it even not in flight. Unrelated but when I started drinking kombucha my stutter went away. Try probiotics!
  - WildGreenLeave 6y ago
    I assume most pilots will let you into the cockpit if you are delayed and while being on the ground. But I have to admit that the last time it happened was a complete surprise for me. I didn't know they were allowed to do that. But maybe they aren't or it is up to their own discretion? I guess, if you really want it you could ask the cabin crew if it is possible to check it out. I don't think a pilot would have anything against it personally because they are proud of their jobs too. Haven't tried Kombucha and didn't know about it. I will look for it and try it out. Thanks! :)