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> I don't believe that there's any experience of consciousness distinct from the use of language. To me this indicates a very narrow view of consciousness. Con

> I don't believe that there's any experience of consciousness distinct from the use of language. To me this indicates a very narrow view of consciousness. Consider for a moment the quiet consciousness of the cerebellum for example. I like the way David F. Wallace put it: 'Both flesh and not'. There's an astounding amount of consciousness that is not bound by language. One can even argue that language might hinder those forms of consciousness from even arising.

quotemstr 6y ago
If you believe in consciousness divorced from flesh, you're in strong intellectual company, but that's not a path I can go down. Metaphysically, I just can't accept the idea that the mind is anything but the computation performed by the brain.
- henearkr 6y ago
  I rather agree with you, but the interaction of the mind with the physical reality is also extremely important to shape it. GPT3 has no interaction with a physical world. Any formal system that cannot interact with something outside of itself will be intrinsically limited, for one thing by Gödel incompleteness theorem.
  - visarga 6y ago
    I agree about the need for an environment. The difference between GPT-3 and an agent in an environment is that GPT-3 only saw tons of static text, while an agent can design an action (an experiment), act it out and observe the results, drawing conclusions. Thus it can act in a way similar to the scientific method.
- pastrami_panda 6y ago
  In the book the meaning of the quote is more to the effect of how truly great athletes can perform on the verge of what spectators would consider inhuman or possible. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that language and syntax would be responsible for these kinds of actions and flow. I'd argue that getting into such a state is not possible while the mind is caught up in the language of things rather than the experience itself, and reacting to it directly. This is what I meant by the quiet consciousness, devoid of language or syntax.

quotemstr 6y ago

If you believe in consciousness divorced from flesh, you're in strong intellectual company, but that's not a path I can go down. Metaphysically, I just can't accept the idea that the mind is anything but the computation performed by the brain.

henearkr 6y ago
I rather agree with you, but the interaction of the mind with the physical reality is also extremely important to shape it. GPT3 has no interaction with a physical world. Any formal system that cannot interact with something outside of itself will be intrinsically limited, for one thing by Gödel incompleteness theorem.
- visarga 6y ago
  I agree about the need for an environment. The difference between GPT-3 and an agent in an environment is that GPT-3 only saw tons of static text, while an agent can design an action (an experiment), act it out and observe the results, drawing conclusions. Thus it can act in a way similar to the scientific method.
pastrami_panda 6y ago
In the book the meaning of the quote is more to the effect of how truly great athletes can perform on the verge of what spectators would consider inhuman or possible. I'd be hard-pressed to believe that language and syntax would be responsible for these kinds of actions and flow. I'd argue that getting into such a state is not possible while the mind is caught up in the language of things rather than the experience itself, and reacting to it directly. This is what I meant by the quiet consciousness, devoid of language or syntax.