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For what it's worth, you're better off not being saddled by student loan debt. EDIT: To the downvoters: please explain how graduating with tens of thousands of

For what it's worth, you're better off not being saddled by student loan debt. EDIT: To the downvoters: please explain how graduating with tens of thousands of dollars in debt is beneficial in the long run.

amy_reddit96 6y ago
it is beneficial in the long run because you dont face the issue that OP is facing.... Also the UK doesn't completely cripple you with student debt. CS degrees are also valuable, can pretty much get into any other field with this piece of paper.
- catacombs 6y ago
  It seems like OP is from the U.S., where, unlike the U.K., the education system knee-caps students financially. Hence, if one goes to school in the U.S. taking out loans isn't worth it.
  - rc-1140 6y ago
    I went to a respectable state school (to the point where people comment that they like the SDEs that my state school has produced when I speak to other devs) for my undergraduate degree, and I've recently become debt free. If I had gone for CS, I probably could have expected to be $35-40k in the red on graduation. While it seems abnormally high across the Atlantic, it wouldn't have been some catastrophic ivy league 6-figure loan pricetag that's become the debt figure people like to highlight so much. Many people that I've kept in contact with who followed the CS track were more than able to pay off their student loans because most people I know went to state schools like I did. It would be unreasonable to say that there are no failure stories as there are plenty of those, but with the salaries in the industry even for juniors who find themselves working for slightly above average companies (envision $55-65k fresh out of college in the US and they still get to live at home), the loan would have absolutely been worth it.
jpgvm 6y ago
I didn't downvote you but if you are not from the US but want to work in SF Bay Area then not having a degree is a significant barrier to immigration. You need 12 years of experience to be considered equal to a fresh grad of a 4 year degree in the eyes of immigration law. I dropped out to start my first startup and while that was a great experience and catapulted me career-wise immigration is still a continual stumbling block.

amy_reddit96 6y ago

it is beneficial in the long run because you dont face the issue that OP is facing.... Also the UK doesn't completely cripple you with student debt. CS degrees are also valuable, can pretty much get into any other field with this piece of paper.

catacombs 6y ago
It seems like OP is from the U.S., where, unlike the U.K., the education system knee-caps students financially. Hence, if one goes to school in the U.S. taking out loans isn't worth it.
- rc-1140 6y ago
  I went to a respectable state school (to the point where people comment that they like the SDEs that my state school has produced when I speak to other devs) for my undergraduate degree, and I've recently become debt free. If I had gone for CS, I probably could have expected to be $35-40k in the red on graduation. While it seems abnormally high across the Atlantic, it wouldn't have been some catastrophic ivy league 6-figure loan pricetag that's become the debt figure people like to highlight so much. Many people that I've kept in contact with who followed the CS track were more than able to pay off their student loans because most people I know went to state schools like I did. It would be unreasonable to say that there are no failure stories as there are plenty of those, but with the salaries in the industry even for juniors who find themselves working for slightly above average companies (envision $55-65k fresh out of college in the US and they still get to live at home), the loan would have absolutely been worth it.

jpgvm 6y ago

I didn't downvote you but if you are not from the US but want to work in SF Bay Area then not having a degree is a significant barrier to immigration. You need 12 years of experience to be considered equal to a fresh grad of a 4 year degree in the eyes of immigration law. I dropped out to start my first startup and while that was a great experience and catapulted me career-wise immigration is still a continual stumbling block.