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Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.
by xenadu02 6y ago
Secret police snatching people off the street in unmarked vehicles is 100% police state / gestapo behavior. No one should be OK with it.
- itsoktocry 6y ago>No one should be OK with it. Agreed. And no one should be okay with the police standing down while rioters smash public buildings, vandalize and desecrate public spaces and burglarize innocent local businesses. What is the fair middle ground, and how do we get there?
- AbrahamParangi 6y agoThe fair middle ground does not include secret police.
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- balr0g 6y agoI’d suggest the fair middle ground is to loosen state power by defunding police departments and reinvesting in communities. I keep seeing this sentiment voiced, but from a ground level looking up it comes off as closeminded because it implies that “riots” and “protesting” are different things. The reality is no one in portland tried to burn down the justice center, if they did they would be shot on sight. Whats happening is people are disrupting their societies to make a point to the people who run it that they’re doing a poor job. That’s a noble endeavor, no matter the means. America’s founded on white supremacy, and America’s maintained white supremacy. I think it’s inspiring that people are targeting the police forces of their cities, who are in no uncertain terms the major enforcers of a rotten status quo.
- itsoktocry 6y ago>That’s a noble endeavor, no matter the means. America’s founded on white supremacy, and America’s maintained white supremacy. That's fair. But understand that not everyone agrees with this, and will be willing to do what it takes to defend their way of life. What does the end-game look like?
- maxerickson 6y agoThe people holding on to the past lose. It's not complicated. Hopefully they don't use a bunch of violence in the process.
- shostack 6y agoPlease check your language with regards to protesters vs rioters.
- fzeroracer 6y agoUnfortunately the way I see people defend this sorta stuff is that they tend to work backwards. They were detained because they are obviously criminals and they are obviously criminals because they are protesters and are guilty by association. Though I have a feeling that if any of the anti-mask protesters were treated like this you'd see sentiment change rather rapidly.
- R0b0t1 6y agoIn the US the main power of policing is detaining on suspicion. A non-officer can only detain or intervene after observing concrete evidence. So what you are saying is "how it works" but with the caveat it needs to be recorded as an arrest to hold the system accountable to society.
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- Google234 6y agoThe anti mask protesters were not trying to burn down federal buildings.
- fzeroracer 6y agoThey are, however, stabbing people that ask them to put on a mask [1], or shooting them [2] or assaulting them in general [3]. And let's be honest here. If you want to associate all protesters with the rioters, then I'll associate all anti-mask violence with the anti-mask protesters. Guilt by association should be treated equally, correct? [1] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/michigan-face-mask-stabbing-shooting https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/14/michigan-fac... [2] https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/05/850618310/family-charged-in-murder-of-security-guard-after-mask-dispute https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0... [3] https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-shoppers-pull-guns-hit-police-with-car-over-mask-policy-2020-7 https://www.businessinsider.com/walmart-shoppers-pull-guns-h...
- sircastor 6y agoMy wife chided me saying "can we not go to Nazis right away?", so I corrected to the Stasi, or the KGB. I'm appalled. I live in a suburb of Portland. The worst that can be said about what's going on here is there's a lot of graffiti. I don't know how anyone can claim that The US retains some special status of freedom now.
- staycoolboy 6y agoAnd a garbage can was set on fire. And one or two windows smashed. But to hear it from Fox news, they think its the LA riots from '92.
- jtgi8jgfdg 6y agoWatch videos on Andy Ngo's Twitter feed. The Portland protesters are engaged in much more violent activities than setting a garbage can on fire.
- staycoolboy 6y agoOh right, I forgot: they threw a milkshake that gave Ngo a "concussion". It was soooo bad that he needed medical attention, but rather than staying in the hospital (which would be necessary for a concussion of the magnitude he claimed), he hopped on a plane and was on right-wing news within 12 hours. Please, Ngo is a known liar, drama queen, and propagandist. No need to amplify his BS.
- jtgi8jgfdg 6y agoHe was beaten, punched and kicked by a mob of Antifa. It's all documented on video.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y agoHe's well known for doxxing, providing kill lists to AtomWaffen. I don't think that behavior is exactly rewarded in the public square.
- gmantg 6y agoI think these minivans is a rational and smart move (amoral, but that's another story). The protest is snowballing and there's not enough police-like forces that blindly support the current regime. The administration understands that victory loves preparation and starts preparing now: they normalize the minivans, so people get used to them and won't question this later when millions of such minivans show up on streets. Generic outfit and lack of ID allows to hire just about anyone to work as a police-like force. My bet is that "the minivans force" will get out of control once they realise that nobody is looking after them. On a side note, I know that many rich and wealthy people have expressed a sudden interest to spend an extended vacation in new Zealand a few month ago.
- kyleee 6y ago"won't question this later when millions of such minivans show up on streets." Is this a new conspiracy theory similar to the old republican black helicopters and fema camps one?
- Balgair 6y agoRelated: A dark green Ford Falcon will still make Argentinians uneasy : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(Argentina) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Falcon_(Argentina)
- bJGVygG7MQVF8c 6y agoThe "resistance" LARPers are gradually memeing death squads into existence. It's not a second Trump administration that anyone should be worried about.