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> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

by msla 6y ago

m0xte 6y ago
I rather like the hammer pants look myself.
- Eric_WVGG 6y ago
  Jodhpurs have to make a comeback sooner or later
  - m0xte 6y ago
    Bring it. Andre 3000 here I come :)
fanimalmanimal 6y ago
Obviously this is a personal preference. For example. I think they’re awful. I don’t think these pants are the solution though. I do appreciate the effort.
groby_b 6y ago
Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you care about that, you often care about the torso first, lines second, limbs third. (Note: Since it's an aesthetic judgment, it depends on your preferences) Hip pockets ruin the look of the torso and lines from any angle except a pure frontal view. Worse, they ruin it for tight and loose fitting clothes (because for loose fit, hip pockets with anything of significant weight hangs awkwardly) This pocket design addresses the first issue completely, and the second issue somewhat. (You'll still notice a change in the line especially on tight fit, but it's less noticeable because it's not affecting torso, and it's not at the end of limbs - which get more attention than the middle) Maybe our list of maximes to follow should include "we must assume that people have a reason for what they do, and question somebody else's aesthetical judgment followed by an accusation that they're uninformed or unquestioning is not the best conversational gambit".
- bscphil 6y ago
  > The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at. The defense of cargo pants is based on a pretty simple dialectic: · Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"? Mostly, the people who design, sell, and advertise clothes. And also, people who directly profit off of being fashionable. · What metrics do they use to decide what they're going to call fashionable? Mostly, whatever will allow them to change styles from year to year and sell as many products as possible and maintain their position at the top of the fashion world. · Is it in our interests to buy into this system of fashion? No! In fact this dialectic has shown that fashion is basically bullshit, and that it's not just morally neutral but good to resist! To try to come up with our own fashions based on what appeals to us personally or simply wearing whatever has the most utility. For the record, I don't necessarily agree with this argument (I lean towards fashion-neutral), but I think this pattern of thinking is extremely common in hacker culture. While I'm cynical about how fashion is created, I don't wear cargo pants either, but that's because I find them much less comfortable than a straight (not slim) cut pair of jeans.
  - dan-robertson 6y ago
    I really struggle to believe that there’s some secret cabal of garment manufacturers conspiring to decide what modifications of their clothes will be desirable in the next season. One reason is that the industry is competitive and mostly full of low margins. If you collude with (some of) your competitors to sell the same thing then your market becomes both smaller and more competitive. Another is that fashion changes don’t necessarily benefit the companies who were previously doing well. I doubt that most of the jeans manufacturers would have wanted leggings to have become so popular, for example.
    - vict00ms 6y ago
      "Determine" isn't synonymous with "dictate". No cabalistic intrigue required.
  - 6y ago

> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

by msla 6y ago

> awful hip pocket bulges Who says they're awful? Why do they say that? We must be informed and skeptical consumers.

m0xte 6y ago

I rather like the hammer pants look myself.

Eric_WVGG 6y ago
Jodhpurs have to make a comeback sooner or later
- m0xte 6y ago
  Bring it. Andre 3000 here I come :)

fanimalmanimal 6y ago

Obviously this is a personal preference. For example. I think they’re awful. I don’t think these pants are the solution though. I do appreciate the effort.

groby_b 6y ago

Can we have opinions on our clothes without having to give every random person on the Internet a full justification? Why yes, yes we can. But, OK, let's answer it. The first answer is right in the fine article: Hip pockets lead to bad posture when sitting. They cause back pain. The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. And if you care about that, you often care about the torso first, lines second, limbs third. (Note: Since it's an aesthetic judgment, it depends on your preferences) Hip pockets ruin the look of the torso and lines from any angle except a pure frontal view. Worse, they ruin it for tight and loose fitting clothes (because for loose fit, hip pockets with anything of significant weight hangs awkwardly) This pocket design addresses the first issue completely, and the second issue somewhat. (You'll still notice a change in the line especially on tight fit, but it's less noticeable because it's not affecting torso, and it's not at the end of limbs - which get more attention than the middle) Maybe our list of maximes to follow should include "we must assume that people have a reason for what they do, and question somebody else's aesthetical judgment followed by an accusation that they're uninformed or unquestioning is not the best conversational gambit".

bscphil 6y ago
> The second answer is that if you dress for aesthetic instead of functional reasons, one of the very first concerns is silhouette. See, I think you've missed what everyone in this thread is trying to get at. The defense of cargo pants is based on a pretty simple dialectic: · Who determines what is fashionable or "aesthetic"? Mostly, the people who design, sell, and advertise clothes. And also, people who directly profit off of being fashionable. · What metrics do they use to decide what they're going to call fashionable? Mostly, whatever will allow them to change styles from year to year and sell as many products as possible and maintain their position at the top of the fashion world. · Is it in our interests to buy into this system of fashion? No! In fact this dialectic has shown that fashion is basically bullshit, and that it's not just morally neutral but good to resist! To try to come up with our own fashions based on what appeals to us personally or simply wearing whatever has the most utility. For the record, I don't necessarily agree with this argument (I lean towards fashion-neutral), but I think this pattern of thinking is extremely common in hacker culture. While I'm cynical about how fashion is created, I don't wear cargo pants either, but that's because I find them much less comfortable than a straight (not slim) cut pair of jeans.
- dan-robertson 6y ago
  I really struggle to believe that there’s some secret cabal of garment manufacturers conspiring to decide what modifications of their clothes will be desirable in the next season. One reason is that the industry is competitive and mostly full of low margins. If you collude with (some of) your competitors to sell the same thing then your market becomes both smaller and more competitive. Another is that fashion changes don’t necessarily benefit the companies who were previously doing well. I doubt that most of the jeans manufacturers would have wanted leggings to have become so popular, for example.
  - vict00ms 6y ago
    "Determine" isn't synonymous with "dictate". No cabalistic intrigue required.
- 6y ago