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There are people in my current workplace demanding that we stop using the term Healthcheck as they perceive it as an affront to disabled people. There is clearl

There are people in my current workplace demanding that we stop using the term Healthcheck as they perceive it as an affront to disabled people. There is clearly more nuance and ambivalence about the woke crowd than you are admitting.

happytoexplain 6y ago
As dumb as that is, that's an extremely un-dramatic thing to point to as some kind of counterexample to the parent's point, which seems to stand in spite of the people at your workplace.
- mlthoughts2018 6y ago
  People get into acrimonious fights over this nonsense and end up fired (usually the person defending sane reasonableness, not the person demanding crazy, meaningless concessions over everything). It’s not undramatic at all, it’s exactly the kind of counter example to be most worried about.
- cheesecracker 6y ago
  I know it's tired to invoke the nazis, but think about this: would you work for a company that would offer your dream job, in your dream area of work, with a dream salary, and so on? The only catch would be that you would have to say "hail Hitler" whenever you met one of your coworkers. It's a small thing. Just two words. The problem is, they mark you as bowing to nazi ideology. In the same sense, even seemingly little "wokeness demands" actually are the demand to bow before woke ideology. It's simply unbearable to many people, just as (hopefully) having to say "Hail Hitler" would be unbearable to you.
smoe 6y ago
There is more nuance and ambivalence. A lot more. But I don't think it has much to do with being woke or not. We always had and will always have people that challenge the status quo of society and those that oppose a change. Change is neither inherently good or bad and not every single initiative, argument and action within an movement is well tough out or helpful. Event tough better political discourse and less shouting would help, I think in the end it is pretty much unavoidable that at times "the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater"

happytoexplain 6y ago

As dumb as that is, that's an extremely un-dramatic thing to point to as some kind of counterexample to the parent's point, which seems to stand in spite of the people at your workplace.

mlthoughts2018 6y ago
People get into acrimonious fights over this nonsense and end up fired (usually the person defending sane reasonableness, not the person demanding crazy, meaningless concessions over everything). It’s not undramatic at all, it’s exactly the kind of counter example to be most worried about.
cheesecracker 6y ago
I know it's tired to invoke the nazis, but think about this: would you work for a company that would offer your dream job, in your dream area of work, with a dream salary, and so on? The only catch would be that you would have to say "hail Hitler" whenever you met one of your coworkers. It's a small thing. Just two words. The problem is, they mark you as bowing to nazi ideology. In the same sense, even seemingly little "wokeness demands" actually are the demand to bow before woke ideology. It's simply unbearable to many people, just as (hopefully) having to say "Hail Hitler" would be unbearable to you.

smoe 6y ago

There is more nuance and ambivalence. A lot more. But I don't think it has much to do with being woke or not. We always had and will always have people that challenge the status quo of society and those that oppose a change. Change is neither inherently good or bad and not every single initiative, argument and action within an movement is well tough out or helpful. Event tough better political discourse and less shouting would help, I think in the end it is pretty much unavoidable that at times "the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater"