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Unwoke – Jobboard for people that just want to work and not be activists
- claudeganon 6y agoEven if I think woke culture is BS, why would I want to apply for a job on a site that brands itself with an equally obnoxious rebuttal? What does it say about the demeanor of my potential bosses that this would appeal to them?
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoThis is a really wonderful idea to see. I think it suffers some from the styling and branding of “unwoke” because this is not unwoke, it’s very, very woke - it’s called being a professional.
- fizixer 6y agoFantastic.
- Finnucane 6y agoSo, the Gab of job boards?
- sicnus 6y agoThis is great, a repo of companies that are hiring folks that don't give a shit about what's going on around them! Saying you are "unwoke" is simply turning a blind eye to the treatment of people around you. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke
- paullth 6y agoUnwoke candidate: "I just want to follow orders"
- Nihilartikel 6y agohttps://milgram.hr https://milgram.hr is gonna be my next bootstrap!
- cheesecracker 6y agoIronic, as that is exactly what the unwoke people think about the woke people. They see it as an ideology that you have to "take the knee" to, a ka "follow orders", to be accepted into the community.
- paullth 6y agoI think at either extreme its probably true. I don't spend my time signaling on linked in, but I do like to have a "diverse" team. Things just feel more even when you aren't surrounded by the same types, and there is space in that for white people with right wing views
- eNTi 6y agoThe road to hell is paved with good intentions.
- drewcoo 6y agoI bet more roads to hell are paved with "good intentions" than with good intentions. Now if only we had a way to measure that . . .
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoIf you believe you must use your workplace itself as a sounding board for your ideology, you’re doing a lot more to help evil triumph than the people treating a job as a job. For example, your coworkers are not obligated to share your moral beliefs, convictions, or political opinions of current events. Making a workplace inherently confrontational in regards to these subjective, private opinions is seriously harmful. I am 100% for your participation in activism, protests, and social reform. Just don’t bring it to work. If you think such an attitude is somehow tacitly entrenching the status quo, you need to step back and consider that you, not the other person keeping politics out of work, are being bigoted and narrow-minded towards them, not the other way around.
- djohnston 6y agoThere are people in my current workplace demanding that we stop using the term Healthcheck as they perceive it as an affront to disabled people. There is clearly more nuance and ambivalence about the woke crowd than you are admitting.
- happytoexplain 6y agoAs dumb as that is, that's an extremely un-dramatic thing to point to as some kind of counterexample to the parent's point, which seems to stand in spite of the people at your workplace.
- mlthoughts2018 6y agoPeople get into acrimonious fights over this nonsense and end up fired (usually the person defending sane reasonableness, not the person demanding crazy, meaningless concessions over everything). It’s not undramatic at all, it’s exactly the kind of counter example to be most worried about.
- cheesecracker 6y agoI know it's tired to invoke the nazis, but think about this: would you work for a company that would offer your dream job, in your dream area of work, with a dream salary, and so on? The only catch would be that you would have to say "hail Hitler" whenever you met one of your coworkers. It's a small thing. Just two words. The problem is, they mark you as bowing to nazi ideology. In the same sense, even seemingly little "wokeness demands" actually are the demand to bow before woke ideology. It's simply unbearable to many people, just as (hopefully) having to say "Hail Hitler" would be unbearable to you.
- smoe 6y agoThere is more nuance and ambivalence. A lot more. But I don't think it has much to do with being woke or not. We always had and will always have people that challenge the status quo of society and those that oppose a change. Change is neither inherently good or bad and not every single initiative, argument and action within an movement is well tough out or helpful. Event tough better political discourse and less shouting would help, I think in the end it is pretty much unavoidable that at times "the baby gets thrown out with the bathwater"
- VLM 6y agoThe difference between caring and being woke is shameless self promotion and groupthink denigration of those who do not self promote. There simply are no humble "woke" people, all "woke" are bullies.
- sicnus 6y ago> all "woke" are bullies. Careful there Mr. Sith Lord
- dang 6y agoPlease do not take HN threads further into ideological flamewar. This level of discussion is below the minimum bar here, even when arguing about a topic like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- laichzeit0 6y ago> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing The same quote could be used in reverse. Some of us think this whole woke crap is evil. So yeah, #ImOut.
- drewcoo 6y agoSo you're saying: The only thing necessary for the triumph of good men is for "this woke crap" to do nothing. Now that I see that, I'm pretty sure I disagree.
- cheesecracker 6y agoPeople simply prefer to work for companies that are not evil. That's not "doing nothing", that's voting with their feet.
- J4M4I5M7 6y agoDidn't google remove "do no evil" after they started investing in killer robots?
- cheesecracker 6y agoI think they removed that before going on their woke crusade, because they figured it is actually too vague. Different people consider different things evil. But for individuals, I think it is still an OK choice to make to not work for companies they personally consider evil.
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- fizixer 6y ago> “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke Have the word 'service' banned and I'll take you a little more seriously [0]. Go ahead, do some evil-triumphing. Don't be shy. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23801493 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23801493
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- foolzcrow 6y agoThe woke openly embrace evil and fascist tactics like censorship and book burning. Woke means to be an uninformed idiot while pretending to be a do-gooder.
- dingaling 6y ago> This is great, a repo of companies that are hiring folks that don't give a shit about what's going on around them! Or perhaps they do care, but don't think that social or political issues intersect with workplace issues.
- paullth 6y agoI wasn't aware all the other job boards were for woke people
- epx 6y agoLinkedin timeline is worse than Facebook these days.
- cheesecracker 6y agoThat's not implied by the existence of a special interest job board. Many companies engage in woke politics and activism. How would you go about filtering them out on all the other job boards?
- jbwashington 6y agoIs it ok for black people to use this service? Whole thing has a whites only vibe
- emerged 6y agoIf your post was not intended to be an example of the harm of "woke" it accidentally is serving as one. Blind accusations of racism is one of the main things people are done with. and here are the downvotes, further nailing in the example. Downvote people out of the community for making rational statements and then argue that woke does no harm.
- cheesecracker 6y agoWhy on earth should it not be OK for black people to use the service? And what is so "white" about it? Because black people are supposed to be activists and believe in identity politics? I follow plenty of black people on Twitter who don't belong to that crowd. Have you ever wondered if is ok black people to use Hacker News? After all, it was created by white people? (I don't even know the skin color of the creators of "Unwoke.hr" - why do you assume they have to be white?).
- jbwashington 6y agoI’ve wondered if it’s ok for black people to use HN, I’ve also wondered if it’s even ok for black people to be in tech. The term “woke” was coined by black people for the purpose of empowerment and self-liberation, co-opted by white liberals to feel like they’re doing something, and then I see this site, which is supposed to be the antithesis of “woke” corporate culture. Black people have no choice to interpret this as “we want to keep ignoring a soft genocide”. No black person would want to be “unwoke” because to us that means enslavement, that’s how I know OP is nonblack.
- cheesecracker 6y agoRidiculous. The HN crowd is mostly woke. To be honest I don't even feel like convincing you to be in tech or on HN. If you feel like that, maybe just let it be. And sorry, there definitely is no genocide going on. Have you even looked at population statistics lately? Edit: why don't you ponder what other people mean by "woke", and try t understand what they are talking about? Personally I don't care about your black history of "woke", I only care abut the present days culture wars.
- rtpg 6y agoImagine being so mad about being disliked for your bad opinions that you make a website like this. The ultimate irony of conservative thought is that even when they hold all levers of government ultimately they are just mad nobody likes them.
- s9w 6y agoSo we've progressed now from "then do your own thing" to "no actually you cannot even do your own thing"
- rtpg 6y agoYou can do your own thing! You’ll just get laughed at for doing it. Nobody is forced to like you if you’re being obnoxious to those around you. Respect is the result of your actions, not a given
- smoe 6y agoFrom the about page https://www.unwoke.hr/about https://www.unwoke.hr/about "The modern workplace has become a hotpot for unchallenged radical thinking and left wing ideology. Our mission is to advance society based on a culture of enlightenment, beauty, truth and freedom through free market initiatives. First up – unwoking work." So ... it is for activists then?
- cheesecracker 6y agoBut not "woke" activists, presumably.
- locopati 6y agoyeah...who needs radical thinking and left wing ideology that created the 40-hr workweek, overtime pay, the weekend, paid vacations, etc
- happytoexplain 6y agoThis isn't for people who just aren't activists, it's for people who hate activists. I.e. it's just the politically opposite exclusiveness.
- s9w 6y agoIt's for people who don't want to lie to be able to have a job.
- pwinnski 6y agoMy son works on a job where he says he almost-daily hears people talking negatively about Clinton and Obama (years later!) and praising whatever Trump has recently done, decrying "PC culture" and generally talking like stereotypes. He'd go to HR to ask for relief, but the HR person like making borderline racist jokes about Obama, so no help there. It seems to me that company would love this site. To balance things out, this company has treated him very well during the pandemic, taking the mask-wearing and distancing directives seriously and ensuring everybody kept their jobs. It's just a few very-vocal employees politicizing everything, not the company as a whole.
- cheesecracker 6y agoMaybe your son would like a job board for jobs from woke companies instead.
- cheesecracker 6y agoI don't want to work in a job were activists can cancel me any time because I am a white heterosexual male. For example since they fired James Damore, I would never consider a job with Google. I don't like the activists, but I would tolerate them, if it weren't there nature to meddle and try to make other people bow to their will.
- VLM 6y agoI like this idea, and wonder if something similar exists to oppose other fads like open offices. I would like to think COVID would be enough motivation to oppose open office floor plans, but religious beliefs generally cannot be rationalized away, similar to the woke thing. Really I just want separation of holy church and work.
- dragonwriter 6y agoHuh. “unwoke" — rejects a particular viewpoint associated with the left. “Free-thinking and freedom loving” — while most people probably self-identity that way, currently these are actively used mostly by the right as distinguishing descriptions. “Not...further a radical agenda” — again, negative on a description used mostly for the left (“reactionary” would be for the right) Sounds like, despite claiming to be about avoiding ideologues, it is all about a particular side of the left/right ideological conflict.
- slavak 6y agoThey literally define themselves as "The job board for conservatives, libertarians and free thinkers." It's just a job board for conservative companies to hire conservative workers; if they're trying to hide it, they're doing a pretty half-assed job.
- alexryan 6y agoYou might be too young to know this. But there was a time, not long ago, when bringing politics into the workplace was considered to be a really bad idea because it divides and thus weakens the team and hinders our ability to work together to achieve the common mission of contribution that we presumably all signed up for. This healthy culture has been largely destroyed by a toxic culture of conflict coming from the indoctrination camps that we used to call universities. I’m uncertain why we allowed this to happen but I know for sure that most people were happier when we were united as one team seeking to use our creative energy to contribute rather than looking for enemies to attack and destroy.
- alchemism 6y agoWow, six anonymously-posted jobs and the most popular one is “Just Say Hi” with no position. Looks to be about the right level of competency for the market segment...
- krapp 6y agoI hate to break it to them... but this is activism. I mean, if they wanted to be apolitical they could have, you know, not framed themselves as a job board for "conservatives, libertarians and free thinkers" and named themselves as the antithesis of a political statement. Instead, they want job-seekers to mass-boycott "woke" companies and "bankrupt the woke." Anyone participating in this is by definition participating in political activism. Which is fine, and anyone's right, but they shouldn't pretend they "just want to work" and not "be an activist."
- hckr_news 6y agoThe About page. > It stands to reason that the direct consequences of AA (Affirmative Action) is a culture of mediocrity, incompetence and decadence. Culture? You're putting the blame on the wrong people.
- baal80spam 6y agoFlagged? What for?
- alexryan 6y agoEXACTLY! And this is why a refuge from the intolerant is needed.
- ykevinator 6y agoYes, because YOU are the real victim, fox news viewer
- SecurityMinded 6y agoBLM and other activists already flagged the post. Wnder how long will it survive to be on the visible list. One of the best ideas I have seen here on HN lately. Good job who came up with it. I wish you success, but don't get your hopes up in today's political climate.
- happytoexplain 6y ago>BLM and other activists already flagged the post Why must one identify with one of these groups to flag this post? It sounds like you're trying to group your enemies into camps.
- alexryan 6y agoFlagged. Off course. Cuz that’s what totalitarians do.
- JToland 6y agoWhat I find amusing is that y'all are assuming all employers on this site are conservative owned and as such, they don't want to hire liberal employees. But I don't think that's the case. I think what they want is to hire people of any political persuasion who want to work. You can be an activist on your own time. We honestly don't seem to have people who understand how working for an income works.
- happytoexplain 6y agoWhy is that amusing? It's a rational suspicion that deserves consideration.