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If testing was required to go to work, go to school, enter a restaurant, a bar, or a theater, people would do it.
by pmoriarty 6y ago
If testing was required to go to work, go to school, enter a restaurant, a bar, or a theater, people would do it.
- adrianN 6y agoWearing a mask is required for many of these activities are people still refuse.
- fouc 6y agoNo mask, no service.. surely businesses can refuse service out of safety concerns
- bolasanibk 6y agoIt's not always that simple: French bus driver attacked over mask rules dies [https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/europe/france-philippe-monguillot-bus-driver-dies-coronavirus-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/europe/france-philippe-mongui...]
- ashtonkem 6y agoI mean, murders also illegal. The legality of enforcing a mask order is easy, the process of actually enforcing that rule might not be.
- dvdbloc 6y agoCan confirm that every day in Seattle I am seeing customers not wearing masks and businesses serving them without issue even though they are not allowed to.
- Fjolsvith 6y agoWhen you own a business, the customer is always right.
- ashtonkem 6y agoI’ve noticed that opinion always comes from people who don’t deal with customers directly.
- Fjolsvith 6y agoI own a business, and while a customer might not be right, I always treat them like they are right. Thus, the saying. So, you now cannot say "always" in that statement, because I deal with customers daily.
- irrational 6y agoMy daughter works a minimum wage job. Her stories about her coworkers are appalling. For instance, a bunch of them went to a crowded rave after work one day and most of them got the virus, but they didn’t say anything and kept showing up for work until one of them became symptomatic and then it came out. My point is, the minimum wage workers at many of these businesses could not care less whether you are following mask rules or not.
- ForHackernews 6y agoMany minimum-wage workers desperately need that income (maybe not middle-class teens working summer jobs) so it's unsurprising that they'll come to work sick.
- chrisco255 6y agoThere's arguments to be said that this is a violation of ADA and grounds for massive lawsuits. See: https://www.workplacefairness.org/medical-privacy-workplace#3 https://www.workplacefairness.org/medical-privacy-workplace#... Also, just as a personal aside...I will gladly join massive, maskless protests to underscore that I will never accept medical testing as a condition of engaging in society. This is a completely unacceptable violation of civil liberties.
- Zanni 6y agoI assume you're referring to "Section 4. Can my employer require me to take medical tests in order to keep my job?" But that section explicitly states, "... unless they are related to your job and necessary for the conduct of your employer's business. I think there's a pretty strong case that the health and safety of fellow employees and/or customers during a pandemic qualifies.
- chrisco255 6y agoYeah, no. There is no clause in the Constitution that says "except in a pandemic". We've had far worse pandemics than Covid-19, from tuberculosis to smallpox to Spanish flu, and no such provision was ever required. So if you want to get an amendment to the Constitution, start collecting signatures.
- ashtonkem 6y agoI’m sorry, but you’re just not right. The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has a pretty wide reaching authority when it comes to fighting disease. If the federal government can quarantine entire towns and force vaccines, they can similarly force you to be tested.
- chrisco255 6y agoNo, they haven't. There's no such precedent in U.S. history. They can't quarantine towns from the federal level. Not in the least. A state might be able to, because the 10th amendment is a thing, but Federal government cannot. And neither state nor federal government can force vaccines because it violates the 4th amendment. You don't get to search my body for diseases and use them to discriminate against me. Sorry. Furthermore, Roe v. Wade was argued on the basis of a right to privacy that's implicit. So no, I'm right on this.
- johncearls 6y agoHere we go. Let's jump from convincing to requiring. This is the difference between freedom and tyranny, and the fact so many Americans are ready to make that jump is outrageous.
- lern_too_spel 6y agoSchools already require proof of vaccination and antibody testing. Workplaces already have dress codes. Conflating mandatory testing or mask wearing with tyranny is why we're losing.