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> Most opiate users for pain release could swap. I'm sorry but I have to call you out on this. It's complete BS - we simply don't have anything that's remotely

by Reelin 6y ago

> Most opiate users for pain release could swap. I'm sorry but I have to call you out on this. It's complete BS - we simply don't have anything that's remotely comparable to opiates for pain relief. That being said I'll second that the opiate epidemic in the US is largely the fault of prohibition. Illegality feeds all sorts of negative cycles that wouldn't otherwise exist.

waheoo 6y ago
Its a bit rich to call bullshit on something I didn't say. I wasn't saying they were comparable drugs. I was saying one is overprescribed for pain level that could be managed by something less drastic.
- Reelin 6y ago
  Huh. My apologies for the misunderstanding then. It's definitely not how I read that wording, largely because I'm highly skeptical that a viable alternative exists for any significant number of non-recreational opiate users.
  - waheoo 6y ago
    Well the problem is a lot of people are simply addicted, the pain the feel is real but it's confused withdrawl. These people would be better off on thc.
wolco 6y ago
You are not as informed as you would like to believe. Marijuana is a great replacement for those who never started down this path and okay a means of getting off opiates. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6777788/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6777788/
- Reelin 6y ago
  That's a rather baseless and low effort accusation to make. The linked paper doesn't appear to me to make the claim you did. The combination group (the one from which you could validate the claim you made) is very small - only 486. In fact the paper appears to very carefully outline its own considerable limitations. The authors detail the lack of research in the area and point out a number of conflicting results, including results that directly contradict their own. That being said, it is a well written, interesting, and thoughtful piece of research. It (and the nearby comment by waheoo) raise quite a few interesting questions for me regarding patient perception and how withdrawal symptoms might interact with marijuana. I also wonder which specific symptoms and underlying conditions might correlate with the various groups. I'm glad you brought this paper to my attention!

by Reelin 6y ago

waheoo 6y ago

Its a bit rich to call bullshit on something I didn't say. I wasn't saying they were comparable drugs. I was saying one is overprescribed for pain level that could be managed by something less drastic.

Reelin 6y ago
Huh. My apologies for the misunderstanding then. It's definitely not how I read that wording, largely because I'm highly skeptical that a viable alternative exists for any significant number of non-recreational opiate users.
- waheoo 6y ago
  Well the problem is a lot of people are simply addicted, the pain the feel is real but it's confused withdrawl. These people would be better off on thc.

wolco 6y ago

You are not as informed as you would like to believe. Marijuana is a great replacement for those who never started down this path and okay a means of getting off opiates. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6777788/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6777788/

Reelin 6y ago
That's a rather baseless and low effort accusation to make. The linked paper doesn't appear to me to make the claim you did. The combination group (the one from which you could validate the claim you made) is very small - only 486. In fact the paper appears to very carefully outline its own considerable limitations. The authors detail the lack of research in the area and point out a number of conflicting results, including results that directly contradict their own. That being said, it is a well written, interesting, and thoughtful piece of research. It (and the nearby comment by waheoo) raise quite a few interesting questions for me regarding patient perception and how withdrawal symptoms might interact with marijuana. I also wonder which specific symptoms and underlying conditions might correlate with the various groups. I'm glad you brought this paper to my attention!