Hm, I suppose I can agree to that. I find that a few real-life experiments with clojure has been disturbingly slow, and that it's not trivial to optimize speed

Hm, I suppose I can agree to that. I find that a few real-life experiments with clojure has been disturbingly slow, and that it's not trivial to optimize speed with lazy structures and magic background threads. Although some web stuff I've done has been pretty spiffy.