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Makes you wonder how much ammo the US is currently missing...

by grensley 6y ago

giancarlostoro 6y ago
Probably less relevant since most citizens can buy plenty of ammo for themselves.
- kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
  Crates of grenades "lost" during training would be more of a concern.
  - agensaequivocum 6y ago
    You can legally buy grenades as a civilian, not as easily as ammo but still possible.
    - angrais 6y ago
      Sorry if this is a dumb question, but given you can literally buy grenades ... Can they be posted and delivered to someone else? I ask as both sound ridiculous on my mind
      - giancarlostoro 6y ago
        I imagine its similar to buying a firearm. You need an FFL to receive it and they background you same as they would a gun. However the FFL needs a special license for grenades as well. Edit for those who dont know: You can order guns online but they must be shipped to a qualified FFL. They must keep records of having done a background check and all that (same as buying in person). As an FFL you could be audited at any moment so you dont wanna screw around or the ATF might come down on you hard. Honestly the last agency I want coming to arrest me is ATF looking at their history of shooting peoples dogs. Its like they think they are above all other agencies and do whatever to arrest people.
        agensaequivocum 6y ago
        It's much more like buying a suppressor, SBR, or machine gun since you have to submit paperwork including fingerprints anddirectly to the ATF and pay the $200 tax. This whole processes take around a year.
      - racnid 6y ago
        Grenades are registered destructive devices in the US. If you can pass the background check to buy a firearm you can buy a grenade. The cost will be $200 (tax) plus the cost of the grenade itself. Practical issues include the government being extremely slow in processing NFA transfers and finding a manufacturer that will actually sell you one. The few dealers I've found will only sell to Law Enforcement or Military buyers. There may be storage requirements I'm not aware of. E: to answer your actual question, it depends on a few factors but it may be possible to structure your grenade ownership to allow others to use it.
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        giancarlostoro 6y ago
        For more information about the different types of permits see here: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-federal-firearms-and-explosives-licenses-types https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-fe... I don't think I've ever met someone with a permit for explosives to this day. I assume it's a right reserved for special cases, maybe military contractors that do go overseas?
        agensaequivocum 6y ago
        I assume you can put ownership of them in a trust just as many people do for suppressors, SBRs, MGs, etc. So whoever is a trustee can be legally in possession of them. All of these responsible people as they are so called, must be on the ATF form and submit fingerprints. Yeah good luck finding someone to sell you one. Probably easier to manufacture yourself.
      - agensaequivocum 6y ago
        Only the the person or entity who paid the $200 tax stamp and submitted the paperwork and was approved can be in possession.
op03 6y ago
Its all accounted for - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/pentagon-budget-mystery-807276/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/pent...

Makes you wonder how much ammo the US is currently missing...

giancarlostoro 6y ago

Probably less relevant since most citizens can buy plenty of ammo for themselves.

kevin_thibedeau 6y ago
Crates of grenades "lost" during training would be more of a concern.
- agensaequivocum 6y ago
  You can legally buy grenades as a civilian, not as easily as ammo but still possible.
  - angrais 6y ago
    Sorry if this is a dumb question, but given you can literally buy grenades ... Can they be posted and delivered to someone else? I ask as both sound ridiculous on my mind
    - giancarlostoro 6y ago
      I imagine its similar to buying a firearm. You need an FFL to receive it and they background you same as they would a gun. However the FFL needs a special license for grenades as well. Edit for those who dont know: You can order guns online but they must be shipped to a qualified FFL. They must keep records of having done a background check and all that (same as buying in person). As an FFL you could be audited at any moment so you dont wanna screw around or the ATF might come down on you hard. Honestly the last agency I want coming to arrest me is ATF looking at their history of shooting peoples dogs. Its like they think they are above all other agencies and do whatever to arrest people.
      - agensaequivocum 6y ago
        It's much more like buying a suppressor, SBR, or machine gun since you have to submit paperwork including fingerprints anddirectly to the ATF and pay the $200 tax. This whole processes take around a year.
    - racnid 6y ago
      Grenades are registered destructive devices in the US. If you can pass the background check to buy a firearm you can buy a grenade. The cost will be $200 (tax) plus the cost of the grenade itself. Practical issues include the government being extremely slow in processing NFA transfers and finding a manufacturer that will actually sell you one. The few dealers I've found will only sell to Law Enforcement or Military buyers. There may be storage requirements I'm not aware of. E: to answer your actual question, it depends on a few factors but it may be possible to structure your grenade ownership to allow others to use it.
      - deleted 6y ago
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      - giancarlostoro 6y ago
        For more information about the different types of permits see here: https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-federal-firearms-and-explosives-licenses-types https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-fe... I don't think I've ever met someone with a permit for explosives to this day. I assume it's a right reserved for special cases, maybe military contractors that do go overseas?
      - agensaequivocum 6y ago
        I assume you can put ownership of them in a trust just as many people do for suppressors, SBRs, MGs, etc. So whoever is a trustee can be legally in possession of them. All of these responsible people as they are so called, must be on the ATF form and submit fingerprints. Yeah good luck finding someone to sell you one. Probably easier to manufacture yourself.
    - agensaequivocum 6y ago
      Only the the person or entity who paid the $200 tax stamp and submitted the paperwork and was approved can be in possession.

op03 6y ago

Its all accounted for - https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/pentagon-budget-mystery-807276/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/pent...