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This. And maybe we shouldn't trust China's reported data, but Europe is almost doing miraculously well if you compare to the USA. Not going for eradication, bu
by strgcmc 6y ago
This. And maybe we shouldn't trust China's reported data, but Europe is almost doing miraculously well if you compare to the USA. Not going for eradication, but containment.
With containment, everything else is possible (healthcare system not overloaded, economy can be opened up, schools can reopen, etc.).
The US has capitulated completely, and even containment isn't really on the table nationally; on a state-by-state basis, some states may achieve a level of containment, but others are simply not even trying (or like Georgia, actively banning containment measures like local mask enforcement orders).
- vondur 6y agoWhere in the US is the health care system overwhelmed?
- Izkata 6y agoRight now, I'm aware of problems in Texas. Don't know how widespread or if other states are, though.
- humaniania 6y agoTexas https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/14/texas-hospitals-coronavirus/ https://www.texastribune.org/2020/07/14/texas-hospitals-coro... Arizona https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/2020/07/13/arizona-coronavirus-update-july-13-stress-hospitals-remains-high/5427493002/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-health/20... Florida https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/florida-coronavirus-cases-icu-beds-arizona-texas https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/10/florida-coro... Georgia https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/07/16/891997539/georgia-hospital-worker-sounds-alarm-i-have-never-ever-seen-anything-like-this https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/0...
- jdminhbg 6y ago> but Europe is almost doing miraculously well if you compare to the USA. This is totally at odds with the data. The UK, France, Spain, and Italy, among others, have higher deaths per capita than the US.
- asveikau 6y agoOlder populations?
- sigotirandolas 6y agoThat helps, but at least for Spain and Italy, the hypothesis seems to be that the virus was already widely spread by the time lock-down started, so a lot of transmission still happened during lock-down until it got under control. I think it's the same for UK and France. but I'm less familiar. Other EU countries like Germany, Austria or Poland fared much better than Spain, France, UK and Italy. Maybe different cultures (e.g. how people relate, how compliant they are, how many people willingly ignore measures, etc.) also play a role.
- strgcmc 6y agoProviding a source to confirm your statement: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deat... IMO, the US will almost certainly make up a lot of ground on the deaths per capita metric (or leapfrog entirely), given the explosion of new cases starting in June and the lagging growth in deaths that comes after cases. Scroll down to the "Deaths" section with the weekly per capita "heat spectrum" of sorts, and the US recently has reached red hot over the past few weeks, while European counterparts have been much cooler: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-m...
- tomp 6y agoThe main thing Europe is doing, is border lockdowns. Some borders are open, but in general only those to countries with low Covid cases. Other travelers get quarantine, policed to various degrees. All of this is completely unworkable in the US.