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Interdimensional cable. You can't prove that I don't have it. Ask yourself this, could the current administration's response have been better given what was k

Interdimensional cable. You can't prove that I don't have it. Ask yourself this, could the current administration's response have been better given what was known at the time? If the answer is emphatically yes, then perhaps another person is better suited for the job.

mynameisvlad 6y ago
Why is this even a discussion we're having? Yes, literally anybody would have had a better response than what we got. Just looking at the current state of the US vs practically any other country in the world shows how cripplingly bad the response has been from the current administration. Sometimes, I really hate the people in this country.
- greesil 6y ago
  I can take a guess. People consume different information sources, and have different ideologies. So, they may arrive at different conclusions than you. I suspect this is more heavily on the ideology side because it's hard to deny the body count.
  - mynameisvlad 6y ago
    It was more of a rhetorical question. I know why it's happening, it's just ridiculous and infuriating that it is happening. Anyone who comes in with good faith and actually objectively looks at the statistics and response can't possibly come to a different conclusion. The problem comes down to the "good faith" and "objective" parts of that sentence.
    - greesil 6y ago
      Don't discount the power of our filter bubbles. Someone can have good faith but their objectivity goes out the window because of the information they consume.
    - imjustadude 6y ago
      https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal...
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  - neverartful 6y ago
    I can't help but wonder if the nature of the US being a 'melting pot' doesn't result in more difficulty in achieving agreement on national policy decisions. I'm not saying that diversity is bad. In most cases, we benefit enormously from being a melting pot. However, on some national policy topics it makes me wonder.
- erik_seaberg 6y ago
  The US was never going to win a contest that calls for unity and obedience. I’ve usually found it admirable, though not right now.
- grandridge 6y ago
  I was told if we did nothing there would be 2 million deaths by now. Current we are at 5% of that. This is a once in a lifetime event. Also, the US is destination one in the world, you cannot compare other countries. All I hear here is this same thing I've heard for nearly four years. A bunch of whiney vitcims of propoganda. Really you just hate yourself.
mistermann 6y ago
> Interdimensional cable. You can't prove that I don't have it. @not2b pointed out a number of very valid issues in the United States. No disagreement from me, these are obvious and very important problems. But then followed it up with: >> Now, all of this could be turned around quickly with good leadership that could rally the country behind a cause, but we chose someone who is committed to division... "Now, all of this could be turned around quickly with good leadership" on its own could be interpreted as an abstract philosophical statement, but not when it is accompanied by "...but we chose someone..." implies a specific context (the last election), does it not? In the last election, there were two choices: Trump and Clinton. Trump was elected, leaving Clinton as the only other choice of a person who could have "turned this situation around quickly with good leadership that could rally the country behind a cause". Is: "are you asserting that Clinton both could have and would have done so? If so, how do you know this?", requesting clarification and evidence of the claim, inappropriate in this context? Is: "Were all of these issues nonexistent under prior administrations?" not appropriate, considering the claim was that a different choice could "turn this situation around quickly"? Is past performance of Presidents not relevant to the epistemic soundness of a claim that something is not just possible, but quick? I'm thinking: perhaps turning things around in a country of 300 million people of vastly different cultures and ideologies is a bit more complicated than is appreciated by some forum commentators. Just an idea. > Ask yourself this, could the current administration's response have been better given what was known at the time? If the answer is emphatically yes, then perhaps another person is better suited for the job. Of course, just look around at other countries. There are surely thousands of people in the Unites States that could have handled this situation better, but we are only allowed to vote for the candidates that are undemocratically offered. And let's not forget, an election isn't about on issue, like "who would handle a pandemic best?". The reality is, each voter is (or should be) considering many thousands of variables, many of which have unknown values and all sorts of messy stuff. The notion that ~"because President<A> is handling individual issue <x> poorly, therefore it logically follows that Candidate<Y> was the better choice for President" is not strongly logical. The answers to questions like this (or, what the hell is even going on, at any level of significant complexity) are actually not known - it just doesn't seem like it. I happen to believe that this phenomenon may actually play a major role in the underlying cause of the problems themselves.

mynameisvlad 6y ago

Why is this even a discussion we're having? Yes, literally anybody would have had a better response than what we got. Just looking at the current state of the US vs practically any other country in the world shows how cripplingly bad the response has been from the current administration. Sometimes, I really hate the people in this country.

greesil 6y ago
I can take a guess. People consume different information sources, and have different ideologies. So, they may arrive at different conclusions than you. I suspect this is more heavily on the ideology side because it's hard to deny the body count.
- mynameisvlad 6y ago
  It was more of a rhetorical question. I know why it's happening, it's just ridiculous and infuriating that it is happening. Anyone who comes in with good faith and actually objectively looks at the statistics and response can't possibly come to a different conclusion. The problem comes down to the "good faith" and "objective" parts of that sentence.
  - greesil 6y ago
    Don't discount the power of our filter bubbles. Someone can have good faith but their objectivity goes out the window because of the information they consume.
  - imjustadude 6y ago
    https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberalism https://www.vox.com/2016/4/21/11451378/smug-american-liberal...
    - deleted 6y ago
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- neverartful 6y ago
  I can't help but wonder if the nature of the US being a 'melting pot' doesn't result in more difficulty in achieving agreement on national policy decisions. I'm not saying that diversity is bad. In most cases, we benefit enormously from being a melting pot. However, on some national policy topics it makes me wonder.
erik_seaberg 6y ago
The US was never going to win a contest that calls for unity and obedience. I’ve usually found it admirable, though not right now.
grandridge 6y ago
I was told if we did nothing there would be 2 million deaths by now. Current we are at 5% of that. This is a once in a lifetime event. Also, the US is destination one in the world, you cannot compare other countries. All I hear here is this same thing I've heard for nearly four years. A bunch of whiney vitcims of propoganda. Really you just hate yourself.

mistermann 6y ago

> Interdimensional cable. You can't prove that I don't have it. @not2b pointed out a number of very valid issues in the United States. No disagreement from me, these are obvious and very important problems. But then followed it up with: >> Now, all of this could be turned around quickly with good leadership that could rally the country behind a cause, but we chose someone who is committed to division... "Now, all of this could be turned around quickly with good leadership" on its own could be interpreted as an abstract philosophical statement, but not when it is accompanied by "...but we chose someone..." implies a specific context (the last election), does it not? In the last election, there were two choices: Trump and Clinton. Trump was elected, leaving Clinton as the only other choice of a person who could have "turned this situation around quickly with good leadership that could rally the country behind a cause". Is: "are you asserting that Clinton both could have and would have done so? If so, how do you know this?", requesting clarification and evidence of the claim, inappropriate in this context? Is: "Were all of these issues nonexistent under prior administrations?" not appropriate, considering the claim was that a different choice could "turn this situation around quickly"? Is past performance of Presidents not relevant to the epistemic soundness of a claim that something is not just possible, but quick? I'm thinking: perhaps turning things around in a country of 300 million people of vastly different cultures and ideologies is a bit more complicated than is appreciated by some forum commentators. Just an idea. > Ask yourself this, could the current administration's response have been better given what was known at the time? If the answer is emphatically yes, then perhaps another person is better suited for the job. Of course, just look around at other countries. There are surely thousands of people in the Unites States that could have handled this situation better, but we are only allowed to vote for the candidates that are undemocratically offered. And let's not forget, an election isn't about on issue, like "who would handle a pandemic best?". The reality is, each voter is (or should be) considering many thousands of variables, many of which have unknown values and all sorts of messy stuff. The notion that ~"because President<A> is handling individual issue <x> poorly, therefore it logically follows that Candidate<Y> was the better choice for President" is not strongly logical. The answers to questions like this (or, what the hell is even going on, at any level of significant complexity) are actually not known - it just doesn't seem like it. I happen to believe that this phenomenon may actually play a major role in the underlying cause of the problems themselves.