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- CoffeeDregs 16y agoNice. I'm happy our Linux overlords are so sensible. Also!: /run/flame_war @ http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/146976 http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/1469...
- ErrantX 16y agoWow, the definition of flame war there I think :S Am I missing something obvious? Is there an important reason why the FHS is considered so important and unchangeable? Or is it just political?
- kragen 16y ago> Am I missing something obvious? Is there an important reason why the FHS is considered so important and unchangeable? Or is it just political? My beard is long now, and the FHS has not changed since I was a child.
- pyre 16y agoI thought I heard someone mention in a comment thread related to this that the last changes were ~6 years ago. edit: Wikipedia says Jan 2004, so ~7 years ago.
- jbyers 16y agoThe fifth response (by gmane's sorting) says it's a "crack ridden idea" and acuses the authors of raping the standard. So, yeah, flame on.
- jedsmith 16y agoYou can link right to it: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/146997 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel/146...
- lukeschlather 16y agoI'm pretty sure he's just trolling. He repeatedly misquotes the FHS and if you follow the thread down occasionally gives content-free "I disagree. This violates the FHS."
- adimitrov 16y agoI love Lennart Poettering's (the OP) response: "Die Wahl Deiner Worte adelt wahrlich Deine Gedanken" It's German and actually really difficult to translate. I'll give it a shot: "Your choice of words truly ennobles your thoughts." <3 I can't understand people like Ralf Corsepius.
- eru 16y agoYour translation is quite literal. I wonder whether we can find a more idiomatic one.
- drats 16y agoI like the translation just fine, but perhaps one of the following: "the words you elect to use perfectly reflect you and your views" "the words you elect to use bring respect to your views" "the words you choose to use can't fail to enthuse those who muse on your views" The last one has lost a smidgen of German stoicism (does "Grüne Eier und Schinken von Herr Doktor Süss" even exist?) though I think...
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- aphyr 16y agoI've always wondered about the difference in lifecycle between /var/lock, /var/run, and other /vars. Happy that we've decided to make things simpler and easier to understand.
- rhizome 16y agoType "man hier" at a command prompt.
- seiji 16y agoLong-form version: http://pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html http://pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html Short-form version: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard
- zokier 16y agoQuite nice to see that different distros cooperate to keep certain thing coherent between the systems.
- zcid 16y agoI strongly agree. And while it would have been nice to update the standard prior to this change, in practice that would ensure that the change didn't happen for a long time, if ever. By having most of the major distros in on this we can be assured a quick adoption of the fix and hopefully a an update to the FHS. Keeping in line with standards and specifications is extremely important to prevent fragmentation of the Linux ecosystem, but allowing those same documents to hold back [legitimate] progress is nothing more than foolish.
- dexen 16y agoWhat a joke. Thie filesystem hierary wasn't complex enough for him? > /var/run otoh is only available very late at boot, since /var might reside on a separate file system he forgot to mention that this is a non-standard, specialized setup. In normal case, /var is on the root partition.
- kragen 16y ago> he forgot to mention that this is a non-standard, specialized setup. In normal case, /var is on the root partition. Specialized it may be, but nonstandard it is not; the entire reason for /var to exist as a separate directory is so that it can be mounted from a local disk in cases where your root partition and /usr are NFS-mounted or otherwise read-only or shared between multiple machines. It seems to me that moving /var/run to /run simplifies the filesystem "hierary" rather than making it more complex.
- nwmcsween 16y agoTo add to this hypocrisy systemd doesn't allow /usr to be on a separate partition.
- mgedmin 16y agoThat's false: systemd handles a separate /usr just fine. It prints a warning, because most systems don't support a separate /usr partition reliably, no matter which /sbin/init they use. Consider udev scripts that rely on binaries or libraries from /usr and are triggered on hardware cold plug events, before /usr is mounted: poof, some of your hardware magically doesn't work on boot, until you re-plug. Have fun debugging it.
- JoshTriplett 16y agoCan you suggest a single use case for putting /usr on a separate partition that wouldn't work far better without? Sharing /usr across the network makes no sense, since its contents need to come from the same packages and versions as /.
- sagarun 16y agoSensible approach from Lennart and the whole systemD folks. If you are wondering who lennart is, He is one of the creator of pulse audio and known for sending out an alternative kernel speedup patch http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kern...
- ascendant 16y agoTL;DR summary: Hey, there's this problem that has been solved in a nonstandard way for too long. Here is a solution that all the major distro's have agreed on Unwashed masses: Hooray! Random angry neckbeards: YOU ARE CRACK ADDICTED RAPISTS
- neckbeard 16y agoI said no such thing.