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> Do they have the budget for counseling when students and teachers pass away? It pains me to admit that this didn't even occur to me as part of the topic of

> Do they have the budget for counseling when students and teachers pass away? It pains me to admit that this didn't even occur to me as part of the topic of teachers being sent back. The human aspects of students-teacher relationships. I feel I've been desensitized to this after exposing myself to a constant stream of news, and now I'm thinking further about what other aspects lie behind other headlines. Thank you for sharing this

mikeg8 6y ago
I agree - this never really occurred to me either. My girlfriend's mother is a preschool teacher who just had to go back to in-person sessions and she believes some of these kids will have trauma's from being young and terrified. One little girl is afraid to touch anything and constantly asks if objects have been cleaned/safe to touch? it's heartbreaking to her.
- rorykoehler 6y ago
  I really struggled with this with my toddler. In the end I decided to chill out and take whatever comes as a consequence rather than traumatise my child for life.
  - watwut 6y ago
    Typically kids are more resilient then that. The kid that ends up as scared had those tendencies before. If your toddler don't tend to be paranoid, you taking precautions and talking about them as normal thing to do won't harm him at all.
    - rorykoehler 6y ago
      We still take precautions proportionate to the risk we face but we don’t make as big an effort to stop him doing toddler things in public
- peterwoerner 6y ago
  Sounds like a bunch of children just got trained to have obsessive compulsive disorder. My wife has it and my life was filled with contamination fears before COVID-19.
  - Enginerrrd 6y ago
    As someone who used to struggle with OCD in my youth: Procedural awareness of sterile field and infection control is a very different thing from OCD. OCD can't really be taught like that. Neat freak=/=OCD.
usaar333 6y ago
It's a human aspect, but to be blunt, it's not a significant consideration as long as you aren't opening schools in an area with high community transfer (e.g. Houston today). IF you additionally filter out high risk-group teaches (known pre-existing health conditions, older than 65, etc.) excess death risk is quite low. (e.g. in the Bay Area, dying in a car crash remains far more likely (~10x) if you meet the criteria earlier noted) (Children actually have had negative excess death rates this year: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-mortality-over-time-ons-update-2nd-june/ https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-mortality-over-time-o... --- reduction in travel, etc. has more than offset covid)
- newacct583 6y ago
  How does one isolate "high risk group" teachers, though? What's the plan for that? Is it a volunteer thing? Are you going to lay people off? How do you fill the void in the resulting empty positions? What about the family members of those not-high-risk teachers? I'm not a zealot on this. Areas with low infection rates should definitely be looking at schools as an early candidate for reopening. But I genuinely can't understand the outrageous partisanship on this subject that says we have to pick a fight with everyone, right now, on this subject. Why schools? Seriously? Why schools? Why now? What focus group told who this was the hill to die on?
- morelisp 6y ago
  > You shouldn't be having high risk-group teachers Uh, why? What specifically about diabetes, high blood pressure, or the still largely random distribution of many types of cancer, prevents one from being a teacher?
  - usaar333 6y ago
    (In the context of in-person teaching during a pandemic, because of the risk to them. )
- duderific 6y ago
  > You shouldn't be having high risk-group teaches So who should take the place of these high risk-group teachers? There aren't infinite qualified people waiting around to teach elementary school.

mikeg8 6y ago

I agree - this never really occurred to me either. My girlfriend's mother is a preschool teacher who just had to go back to in-person sessions and she believes some of these kids will have trauma's from being young and terrified. One little girl is afraid to touch anything and constantly asks if objects have been cleaned/safe to touch? it's heartbreaking to her.

rorykoehler 6y ago
I really struggled with this with my toddler. In the end I decided to chill out and take whatever comes as a consequence rather than traumatise my child for life.
- watwut 6y ago
  Typically kids are more resilient then that. The kid that ends up as scared had those tendencies before. If your toddler don't tend to be paranoid, you taking precautions and talking about them as normal thing to do won't harm him at all.
  - rorykoehler 6y ago
    We still take precautions proportionate to the risk we face but we don’t make as big an effort to stop him doing toddler things in public
peterwoerner 6y ago
Sounds like a bunch of children just got trained to have obsessive compulsive disorder. My wife has it and my life was filled with contamination fears before COVID-19.
- Enginerrrd 6y ago
  As someone who used to struggle with OCD in my youth: Procedural awareness of sterile field and infection control is a very different thing from OCD. OCD can't really be taught like that. Neat freak=/=OCD.

usaar333 6y ago

It's a human aspect, but to be blunt, it's not a significant consideration as long as you aren't opening schools in an area with high community transfer (e.g. Houston today). IF you additionally filter out high risk-group teaches (known pre-existing health conditions, older than 65, etc.) excess death risk is quite low. (e.g. in the Bay Area, dying in a car crash remains far more likely (~10x) if you meet the criteria earlier noted) (Children actually have had negative excess death rates this year: https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-mortality-over-time-ons-update-2nd-june/ https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-mortality-over-time-o... --- reduction in travel, etc. has more than offset covid)

newacct583 6y ago
How does one isolate "high risk group" teachers, though? What's the plan for that? Is it a volunteer thing? Are you going to lay people off? How do you fill the void in the resulting empty positions? What about the family members of those not-high-risk teachers? I'm not a zealot on this. Areas with low infection rates should definitely be looking at schools as an early candidate for reopening. But I genuinely can't understand the outrageous partisanship on this subject that says we have to pick a fight with everyone, right now, on this subject. Why schools? Seriously? Why schools? Why now? What focus group told who this was the hill to die on?
morelisp 6y ago
> You shouldn't be having high risk-group teachers Uh, why? What specifically about diabetes, high blood pressure, or the still largely random distribution of many types of cancer, prevents one from being a teacher?
- usaar333 6y ago
  (In the context of in-person teaching during a pandemic, because of the risk to them. )
duderific 6y ago
> You shouldn't be having high risk-group teaches So who should take the place of these high risk-group teachers? There aren't infinite qualified people waiting around to teach elementary school.