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Trump did not lose the popular vote. There is no contest for the popular vote. Perhaps one party should try moving a bit to campaign according to the actual co

by LanceH 6y ago

Trump did not lose the popular vote. There is no contest for the popular vote. Perhaps one party should try moving a bit to campaign according to the actual contest at hand, rather than try to rewrite the rules. You assume the Democrats would win a popular vote easily. First, Republicans would actually campaign in California for a change. They might even move left a tad on some issues. Democrats might decide it's the time to go batshit insane and go further left, leaving an even wider, disenfranchised center than we have now.

joshstrange 6y ago
> Trump did not lose the popular vote. Dear god, do facts not matter at all? He absolutely lost the popular vote. He won the election through the electoral college. It's the system we have and it's what determines the election but to say he didn't lost the popular vote is false and revisionist.
- AnimalMuppet 6y ago
  I believe that you are missing LanceH's point. I'll try to put it in different terms. Here's a football game. Team A scores 17 points on 284 yards of offense. Team B scores 10 points but has 317 yards of offense. Team B's fans say "We won on total offense!" That's great, Team B fans. Here, have a lollipop. Why am I being so condescending? Because no football game is decided based on total offense. They're decide on points. Team B "won" something that is a statistical category, not a game. In the same way, Hillary won a statistic, not an election. So all this "Trump lost the popular vote" is... yeah, so what? Winning the popular vote plus six bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks. And Democrats knew what the rules were going into the election, and have known ever since. Who cares about the popular vote? It's totally irrelevant. They. Lost. The. Election.
gruez 6y ago
>Trump did not lose the popular vote. I seriously hope you're baiting and don't actually believe that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidentia... Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton [...] Popular vote 62,984,828 65,853,514 secondary source: https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf#page=10 https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federale...
- Zpalmtree 6y ago
  I think you misinterpreted what he was suggesting - it is meaningless to say that Hillary won the popular vote because neither party were trying to win the popular vote - you win the presidency by winning the electoral college. If instead the president was chosen by popular vote, both parties likely would have campaigned differently.
  - gruez 6y ago
    >I think you misinterpreted what he was suggesting - it is meaningless to say that Hillary won the popular vote because neither party were trying to win the popular vote - you win the presidency by winning the electoral college. This is a non-sequitur. Whether or not that metric (popular vote) has a bearing on the results of presidential election is irrelevant to the statement of whether he won in that metric. Furthermore, it's counter-productive to the discussion to preface a comment with a politically charged comment (trump and some of his supporters legitimately believes he got more popular vote than clinton, despite evidence to the contrary), then backpedal on that statement by adding a bunch of qualifiers.
    - LanceH 6y ago
      You don't win a metric.
      - gruez 6y ago
        Maybe with a definition that you can only "win" a competition that was agreed upon ahead of time. However, a quick search on hn shows that "win" colloquially also can mean beating everyone else at some metric (or in some cases, on a subjective basis). eg. "Chrome won" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14420972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14420972, despite the lack of an actual competition for internet browser market share "Linux and open source have won, get over it" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23673867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23673867 "Teenage Engineering has won over kids and professionals with a synthesizer" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20527069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20527069

by LanceH 6y ago

joshstrange 6y ago

> Trump did not lose the popular vote. Dear god, do facts not matter at all? He absolutely lost the popular vote. He won the election through the electoral college. It's the system we have and it's what determines the election but to say he didn't lost the popular vote is false and revisionist.

AnimalMuppet 6y ago
I believe that you are missing LanceH's point. I'll try to put it in different terms. Here's a football game. Team A scores 17 points on 284 yards of offense. Team B scores 10 points but has 317 yards of offense. Team B's fans say "We won on total offense!" That's great, Team B fans. Here, have a lollipop. Why am I being so condescending? Because no football game is decided based on total offense. They're decide on points. Team B "won" something that is a statistical category, not a game. In the same way, Hillary won a statistic, not an election. So all this "Trump lost the popular vote" is... yeah, so what? Winning the popular vote plus six bucks will get you a latte at Starbucks. And Democrats knew what the rules were going into the election, and have known ever since. Who cares about the popular vote? It's totally irrelevant. They. Lost. The. Election.

gruez 6y ago

>Trump did not lose the popular vote. I seriously hope you're baiting and don't actually believe that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidentia... Nominee Donald Trump Hillary Clinton [...] Popular vote 62,984,828 65,853,514 secondary source: https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federalelections2016.pdf#page=10 https://www.fec.gov/resources/cms-content/documents/federale...

Zpalmtree 6y ago
I think you misinterpreted what he was suggesting - it is meaningless to say that Hillary won the popular vote because neither party were trying to win the popular vote - you win the presidency by winning the electoral college. If instead the president was chosen by popular vote, both parties likely would have campaigned differently.
- gruez 6y ago
  >I think you misinterpreted what he was suggesting - it is meaningless to say that Hillary won the popular vote because neither party were trying to win the popular vote - you win the presidency by winning the electoral college. This is a non-sequitur. Whether or not that metric (popular vote) has a bearing on the results of presidential election is irrelevant to the statement of whether he won in that metric. Furthermore, it's counter-productive to the discussion to preface a comment with a politically charged comment (trump and some of his supporters legitimately believes he got more popular vote than clinton, despite evidence to the contrary), then backpedal on that statement by adding a bunch of qualifiers.
  - LanceH 6y ago
    You don't win a metric.
    - gruez 6y ago
      Maybe with a definition that you can only "win" a competition that was agreed upon ahead of time. However, a quick search on hn shows that "win" colloquially also can mean beating everyone else at some metric (or in some cases, on a subjective basis). eg. "Chrome won" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14420972 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14420972, despite the lack of an actual competition for internet browser market share "Linux and open source have won, get over it" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23673867 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23673867 "Teenage Engineering has won over kids and professionals with a synthesizer" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20527069 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20527069