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As a for-instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29261497/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29261497/ The article is in French, but the abstract is in English

As a for-instance: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29261497/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29261497/ The article is in French, but the abstract is in English. If you search for "animals" and "episodic memory"[0] (the type of memory you think of as a 'memory') you'll find a lot of studies claiming no animals other than humans have episodic memory. I'm not certain that's entirely true (and a lot of the studies will have caveats). If you search for "dogs" and "episodic memory" you'll find some disagreement as well; not arguing that dogs have human-like memory, but more that whether an animal has "episodic memory" isn't binary (e.g., https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982216311423 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098221... ). Also interesting is this study on short term memory in animals: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0376635714003027 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S03766... [0] - https://www.livescience.com/43713-memory.html https://www.livescience.com/43713-memory.html Edit: Fixed links.

baggy_trough 6y ago
I can't read French, but the abstract states "dogs remember who and what happened but no study evidenced yet that they remember the precise time it was done." That is a much lesser claim than "they're more or less completely unaware of it (the past)"
- cgriswald 6y ago
  There’s plenty of more studies out there, many paywalled. I just offered you one so you’d get the idea and have a place to start if you were actually interested. My point is that dogs don’t have a “past” to dwell on the way we do. Where you or I have a specific memory of playing fetch that we can replay, analyze, and put into new contexts, dogs have a sort of database of facts: “Rules of fetch”, “ball = fun”, “this human plays fetch”. They are “things remembered” versus “memories”.
  - baggy_trough 6y ago
    I read all of your provided links, but I'm not convinced they support what you claim about dog memories.
    - cgriswald 6y ago
      I don’t know what to tell you, man. I don’t keep a list of books and papers I’ve read about every topic and sharing my direct experience isn’t possible. I gave you a starting point to sate your own curiosity. I don’t have any interest in defending a claim I know to be true on an off-handed comment on a low stakes topic. I’m not here to convince you or educate you.
      - baggy_trough 6y ago
        Thank you for providing the links.

baggy_trough 6y ago

I can't read French, but the abstract states "dogs remember who and what happened but no study evidenced yet that they remember the precise time it was done." That is a much lesser claim than "they're more or less completely unaware of it (the past)"

cgriswald 6y ago
There’s plenty of more studies out there, many paywalled. I just offered you one so you’d get the idea and have a place to start if you were actually interested. My point is that dogs don’t have a “past” to dwell on the way we do. Where you or I have a specific memory of playing fetch that we can replay, analyze, and put into new contexts, dogs have a sort of database of facts: “Rules of fetch”, “ball = fun”, “this human plays fetch”. They are “things remembered” versus “memories”.
- baggy_trough 6y ago
  I read all of your provided links, but I'm not convinced they support what you claim about dog memories.
  - cgriswald 6y ago
    I don’t know what to tell you, man. I don’t keep a list of books and papers I’ve read about every topic and sharing my direct experience isn’t possible. I gave you a starting point to sate your own curiosity. I don’t have any interest in defending a claim I know to be true on an off-handed comment on a low stakes topic. I’m not here to convince you or educate you.
    - baggy_trough 6y ago
      Thank you for providing the links.